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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Sat May 15, 2010 12:05 am

He can't really be that trusting all of a sudden, can he? After a life of paranoia (which has saved his bacon (!) more times than he can count)? To suddenly take Walternate at face value? It does not seem like Peter to be so docile, just do as Walternate says.

Oh: I just read this:
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Nimoy also confirmed that due to his retirement, the second part of the
season finale (airing May 20) will be his final appearance on the
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Sat May 15, 2010 12:48 am

And another tidbit from Jasika:

Quote :
it’s going to be really funny if people connect to the alternate Astrid
more so to the Astrid that we’ve already had [laughs]. And that’s very
likely to happen because I think she’s going to be a key player into
what ends up happening, of course I can’t give too much away, but
there’s this big thing that happens at the very end of the season
finale that’s a little bit mind-blowing and you realize how integral
the people in the alternate universe are going to be to this universe
to right the wrongs that have been done
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Mon May 17, 2010 8:28 pm

So, from the easter eggs and the promos, we see that the worlds are quite different... but one thing I expected was to see dead foliage, brown trees, I thought it would look like around Sudbury, Ontario, where everything is dead from mining pollution. But it looked really green and leafy.

Did BR forget? Was Newton lying to Walter? Or does it look like that after 'quarantine' and Newton doesn't know that?

Does Newton work for BadWalter?

Where IS Newton?

Thoughts?

C'mon, lurkers, help me out here!

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Mon May 17, 2010 8:34 pm

Do you think these are fake trees ?

As in The Simpsons, when we see Lisa's future.
There's this flickering tree, someone kicks the pedestal and the tree's not flickering anymore, and on the base, you see "In memory of a real tree" written.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Mon May 17, 2010 8:34 pm

From what we've seen, Newton works for Walternate.
About the blight, i'm rather confused.
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Mon May 17, 2010 8:44 pm

Or Newton meant that there were no tree in Cambridge ?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Mon May 17, 2010 8:51 pm

Or Newton was blind drunk and slured things meaningless grins
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Mon May 17, 2010 9:14 pm

Eh. Wait. We don't know if Newton came from over there.

There was his head that FakeCharlie was looking for, on our side and they had the body... but do we know if he was built here or over there ?
Has he even lived/been over there ?

Maybe he was told there were no trees anymore because that was in the orders/program he received ?

Do you think that Newton was a real guy before, but was decapitated, and so, someone kept his head here and someone else built a shapeshifter's body over there, so he could live again ? Suspect

In a way, it reminds me of Futurama, with the "Heads" that live without bodies in some kind of fishbowl.........

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Mon May 17, 2010 10:47 pm

The mercury went into his head and neck in the reattachment scene, so, no, not a plain old' human, he's a mechano-organic hybrid, never was a person.

I'm sure he's from over there, he was reverent to NotWalter, knew who he was, NotWalter knew him, they shared that secret handshake. So he's from there.

Maybe the blight is in certain areas, but for it to have killed off most coffee, that's dispersed around the equator & further, so you'd think things would be bad elsewhere like NYC.

But you're right, he HASN'T been home in a long time, I'm thinking Walternate has been lying to him (as he's been lying to his FD and evidently to his country).

Oooh--what if Peter uncovers his deception to the FD over there (or P/O & Walter do, whatever) and the two teams set about to work together to fix things?

I'm still wondering what there will be for them to make a storyline out of, if the Pattern is mostly resolved now (ZFT/holes in the uni/Newton/Walternate).

I peeked at the labnotes a bit today, in ep.3, Walter says the neurotransmitter is the first piece of equipment, then the lab is the 2nd, as its shape encourages reception, and that he should fix the transmitter on the roof of the lab, as others could begin receiving transmissions.....

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 2:32 am

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Or Newton meant that there were no tree in Cambridge ?

I think this is correct since Newton's discussion of the Blight was in terms of what Newton was seeing at the time which was Cambridge (looking out the window of our-Walter's old house). Given what we know from 2x21, Boston (and likely the surrounding area) has been quarantined and thus was likely strongly hit by whatever bad juju is out there.
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 4:34 am

And we saw that the quarantine may indeed be worse than the event they use to justify the quarantine. Something hinky going on there!

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 1:59 pm

I found a video interview with John and Josh, during "Fox Upfronts 2010". They talk about season finale.
Can you tell me what they say, exactly?

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/watch-with-kristin-fringe-scoop/2827141967
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 3:10 pm

So.... by whom Newton was decapitated ?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 3:12 pm

lezario wrote:
So.... by whom Newton was decapitated ?

Poor guy....He lost his head again u_u
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 3:15 pm

Do you think Bell and Walter did that ?

And Newton must be a bit special for a shapeshifter, because it's been a long time he hasn't "shapeshift". FakeCharlie looked extremely bad after six weeks.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 5:50 pm

It's a bit of Fringe science that makes no sense, that: needing to shift into a body without mercury, and the temporary cure was to drink mercury.

More Fringey/pseudoscience/allegory about Mercury:



The four-stage Work could never have been accomplished
without the so-called Philosophical Mercury, which was the unifying spirit
enlivening the matter, the divine flow without which transmutation was
impossible. Philosophical Mercury was not common mercury, although mercury
could be seen as an image of the philosophical one. The purpose of the whole
alchemical process was in fact, the fixation – solidification of this elusive
spirit, often imagined as a bird.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 6:38 pm

that video will not play for me, is there a transcript or a version elsewhere?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 6:41 pm

Which vid ?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 6:48 pm

Which vid?
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 6:56 pm

jade86 wrote:
I found a video interview with John and Josh, during "Fox Upfronts 2010". They talk about season finale.
Can you tell me what they say, exactly?

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/watch-with-kristin-fringe-scoop/2827141967

this one.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Tue May 18, 2010 7:03 pm

Ahhhh ok! The video apparently doesn't work. You should revise the page!
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Wed May 19, 2010 12:22 am

Text from scan from tv guide:

As the Worlds Turn
Liv and Co. face double trouble in Fringe's bizarro finale

Leave it to Fringe to give us a Season 2 finale that's out of this world. Literally.
"It's called 'Over There,' and we're not kidding" says consulting producer Akiva Goldsman of the episode, which finds Olivia, Walter and several others storming the alterna-verse to find Peter. "We answer a bunch of questions, and try to be congenial and affectionate to the fans. We're not being cute. We're gonna go, 'OK, you waited, you asked...here's the answer.'"
In the two-part trip to the bizarro world, airing May 13 and May 20, the team devises a way to breach the Blight-ridden parallel plane, where Peter has fled after discovering that he was abducted from the other side by a grief-stricken Walter following the 1985 death of his real son.

Bringing him back home, however, is going to take more than just a mea culpa from his pseudo papa. Not only is Pete peeved, but it turns out that his abduction was also the catalyst for a lot of bad blood between the two worlds. "The people over there are just like us, they're as wise and wicked as us, so they see us coming," says John Noble, who has delivered a year's worth of Emmy- caliber work as the haunted Walter Bishop. "There are forces that will try to stop Peter's return at any cost."

Forces like the alternate-and possibly dangerous—versions of our heroes. "The Walter we know is a very .brilliant man whose humanity is being revealed through his mental illness," continues Noble. "The Walter on the other side is also a brilliant man who went another way—he went into politics. Driven by the fact that his son was stolen from him, he became one of the power -houses of the nation. Revenge is a very powerful motivator." Helping his Walternate exact that revenge will be a slew of technological advances unique to the other side, as well as the militant doppelgangers of at least two beloved Federal agents from our.world.
"What's wonderful is the chance to create new characters for our series regulars," says Goldman, giddily hinting that he's cooked up ' some major crazy for leading lady Anna Torv, including a full-on confrontation between Liv and her flip-side self. "I have been ob­sessed with Olivia from the other side since the first season. Wait until you see her!"
Speaking of confrontations, something else viewers can expect to see is Walter's two-seasons-in-the-making reunion with former lab partner William Bell, who's been cooling his heels on the other side and caus -ing all kinds of scientific chaos for as long as the Fringe Division has been hunting shape-shifters and such. But like most things on a show that boasts dual realities, chrome-domed Observers and a mythology worthy of its myriad Lost comparisons (both shows come from the labyrinthine mind of ],}. Abrams), the Bishop-Bell reunion is com­plicated.' Especially when it turns out that the besties-turned-adversaries each have something the other needs.
"You actually see the two men working together and finding the Joy of their com­bined efforts again," explains Noble of their eventual team-up. "You see Walter and William fall back in like with each other."'
• "We liken it to the post-Beatles Paul Mc-Cartney and John Lennon working on a song together," jokes exec producer Jeff Pinkner.
Whether Bell and Bishop can really work it out remains to be seen, considering that even Leonard Nimby, returning for his fourth appearance, isn't so sure that his enigmatic alter ego is to be trusted. "I wouldn't count on anything with William Bell," laughs the Star Trek icon. "You just don't know which way this monkey is gonna fall."
Nor do we know if we'll ever see "Belly" again, once the smoke settles. As Noble puts it, the seemingly sinister scientist "takes us all by surprise and makes an extraordinary sacrifice for the greater good." And .while Noble will only allude to- "a wonderful redeeming moment for the char­acter," anyone who can read be­tween the lines knows that "extraordinary sacrifices" usually spell tragedy. Also upping the odds of a Bell farewell is Nimoy's own recently announced retirement from acting, although the man who was and always will' be Mr. Spock remains logical about the fu­ture. "I never say never. JJ. and his produc­ers and writers treated me extremely well on the "Star Trek" movie, and they did a great job. My nature is to want to be involved with-people who can do very good work."
Then he—and the fans—had better keep a close eye on the finale's spectacular closing. moment. Much like last season's OMG pull-away from the still-standing Twin Towers, the shot we're left with this time around is sure to be just as jaw-dropping. "The final scene, when I read it, I thought it was abso­lutely pure genius," teases Noble. "This is probably the ultimate cliff-hanger."

(<-----click to enlarge) (would you buy a used transporter from this guy?)
SEASON 3 SNEAK PEEK
Before filming on the finale wrapped, the wheels we turning on Season 3. "What next season will be like i; profoundly informed by the last images of the finale says producer Akiya Goldsman. "I'm thrilled with the idea that ends this episode." And we're thrilled that this shocker sets the stage for more trips to the alterna-verse. "It wilt defi­nitely play a role next season," reveals exec producer Joel Wyman, adding that the cast is jazzed to revisit their alternates again. As for potential villains, secrecy on set is tighter than Olivia's ponytails, but exec producer Jeff Pinkner says they may already be among us. "We have met some of them and there will be others to come."

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Wed May 19, 2010 7:16 am

Elliot wrote:
"The final scene, when I read it, I thought it was abso­lutely pure genius," teases Noble. "This is probably the ultimate cliff-hanger."

Thank you for posting this article, Elliot. Exciting !!
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Wed May 19, 2010 7:19 am

Elliot wrote:



The pic intrigues me a lot!

Elliot wrote:

"We answer a bunch of questions, and try to be congenial and affectionate to the fans. We're not being cute. We're gonna go, 'OK, you waited, you asked...here's the answer.'"

Yeaaaahh!! Finally!!! grins

Elliot wrote:

"There are forces that will try to stop Peter's return at any cost."
Forces like the alternate-and possibly dangerous—versions of our heroes.

O_O

Elliot wrote:

"The Walter on the other side is also a brilliant man who went another way—he went into politics. Driven by the fact that his son was stolen from him, he became one of the power -houses of the nation. Revenge is a very powerful motivator." Helping his Walternate exact that revenge will be a slew of technological advances unique to the other side, as well as the militant doppelgangers of at least two beloved Federal agents from our.world.

Now, i'm quite sure that Walternate's revange has not to do with his son's sacrifice.

Elliot wrote:

"The final scene, when I read it, I thought it was abso­lutely pure genius," teases Noble. "This is probably the ultimate cliff-hanger."

Damned John! I'm just dying for the waiting! Don't interfere!! >_<
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there Part 2" - Spoilers   Wed May 19, 2010 7:24 am

Stephy wrote:
Elliot wrote:
"The final scene, when I read it, I thought it was abso­lutely pure genius," teases Noble. "This is probably the ultimate cliff-hanger."

Thank you for posting this article, Elliot. Exciting !!
My pleasure!

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