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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Mon May 03, 2010 1:02 pm

Wow, I've got some reading to catch up on! I have a very busy day at work today, but I'll try to catch up inbetween cases. It's May already! I love May, but episodes are winding down, it's going to be hot here soon.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Mon May 03, 2010 5:46 pm

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You're right, they have really dropped that Colonel's story...but you know it's not done.

So---was he wrong?
Confused?
Whose intel was that (the guy carrying the case, who was he going to?)--since the Observers can be anywhere at anytime they don't need humans to gather data, do they?
And was that Walter or Walternate in those photos?

Or maybe they're keeping it for next season ? After all, they can't give us everything at the time. grins
But I hope we will get some answers. Especially about Rogue(s).

And the guy carrying the suitcase, he didn't look like an Observer.............

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 9:01 am

It was a very nice episode.
gene with dots , the lab, Ella and all the story and references to maltese falcon and films like that. I loved it.
A lot of litlle P/O moments too even if there wasn't the kiss .
I laught because during all the P/O moments my husband can't stop saying "and there they kiss" .... finally it seems that the more benchy between him and me isn't the one people think of. grins

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I had a marvellous course in the literature of mythology from cultures around the world, we read comparative versions of lots of the myths, it was fascinating. And our instructor was very interesting, he really knew his stuff and we talked about how myths & themes were used in present day lit too, that was a class that just whizzed by, we were always rapt in attention.

ohhh I'd like having such a course! I used to read a lot of mythology when I was a kid and I think I would have been very fond of this kind of learning.
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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 9:14 am

I realized yesterday that Walter thinks that Olivia's love will save Peter's life, and that will save his. That she will take Peter from him, and bring him back, if things turn out well.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 9:17 am

You Ninja'd me!

Yes, it was a wonderful course, you would have enjoyed it I am certain. The professor was enthusiastic and humorous, and had reams of stories memorized, we'd get talking about this or that story and we'd all be late for our next class.

It's where I first read Sagas, and--Eddas, if I remember the name right. It was 1.2 million years ago.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 9:41 am

Power going again, but I wanted to share this review I read tonight:

'Fringe': Heart of glass
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Since the entire episode was a story told by Walter, we got glimpses into his (and possibly the writers') perceptions of the people around him. Olivia came off fairly mannish until she was rescued by Peter and her girly side came out. Nina Sharp professed her love for William Bell over their inter-reality webchat. Jean grew polka dots. The Observers became thugs. Brandon worked at the patent office (like Einstein). Walter made himself into the inventor of all things wonderful but at the price of children's dreams. And most interesting, Peter was a man born with incredible power that everyone wanted their hands on.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/04/fringe-heart-of-glass.html
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And a quote from somewhere else (and I have forgotten, sorry!):
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Many also wonder why someone didn’t repair or recreate Walter’s window to the alternate universe, thus answering questions such as, “What’s going on in the other dimension?” “Where is William Bell?” and “Who has Nina’s arm mounted above their fireplace?” After all, Walter was not taken to the mental institution until several years after the events depicted in the “Peter” episode.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 5:47 pm

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I realized yesterday that Walter thinks that Olivia's love will save
Peter's life, and that will save his. That she will take Peter from
him, and bring him back, if things turn out well.

Since Jacksonville, I can't help but think that in a way, Walter knows that if Peter loved Olivia, he would at least come back for her, if not for him.

But that sounds mean, and I rather think he just wants Peter to be happy.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 6:00 pm

I think they are all intertwingled in Walter's own heart; he desperately wants both for Peter to be happy, and for him to come back. But he is willing to give up the second, if he can have the first. Same (as he recognizes in Brown Betty) with Peter: Peter wants Walter to be safe and well, and is willing to be scared and uncertain as Walter "grows up". That's what all that self-actualization stuff this year has been, their relationship veering around as to who is father and who is son.

Eventually the truth will come out, and Peter will know in his heart what to do. He has been consistently the most honestly caring of all our three heroes, the one who intervenes to keep Walter from hurting test subjects, who worries over Olivia, actually shows emotion and acts on it. It's a bit odd, that; the producers bang on about how Olivia is Good yet to me she's mostly moralistic, which is not really the same thing. She's a cop, it's her job to enforce the rules and the law and save people. You don't see her getting emotionally tied up in things until just lately, her not sleeping over not telling Peter. They need to show more of this for her to be believable. Saying all the time that she is a protector and good, without showing her having any emotion about it, (or doing more than her job) is getting old for me.

Walter and Peter were out on that bridge trying to stop Newton not because it was their job, but because it was the right thing to do, and Peter even sent Walter away, everybody away, to protect them (and our world). Yet the producers harp on about Peter being not quite good, or something. What he actually does is good.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 9:57 pm

Sorry if I am off-topic ; I don't find the RYB thread...

A few RYB pics from Brown Betty.







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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 10:37 pm

It was full of color, wasn't it? While that can be fun, kid color stuff, it can also indicate completion, wholeness...

And they introduced PINK!! The lab was full of nice hot pink.

Is there a link to the ryb thread in the directory? I don't find it, either

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Tue May 04, 2010 10:46 pm

It was wonderful. Did you notice how they used the light ? Exactly like the old movies... Impressive. The actors acted very differently too. Their walk, gestures... Very interesting. What do you think about the idea of a black and white Brown Betty ? It would have been interesting. Like "Post-Modern Prometheus" (X-Files Season 5).
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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Wed May 05, 2010 4:56 am

Oh, I would love it. I wanted more like 'Brown Betty, B&W would be so fun. And I really liked Post Modern Prometheus!! Somewhere in the basement here is I think my ruminating on Drs. Frankenstein and Bishop and Polidori...

And I would love to see the 40's noir theme carried out again---could you not just see a yearly episode of that, Peter helping Olivia solve cases in between them dancing, drinking with Broyles, and generally being hard boiled?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Wed May 05, 2010 5:32 pm


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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Thu May 06, 2010 4:33 am

I looked at the lovely steampunk-meets-medieval reliquary art doors on the hearts of the Bishop men in Walter's story. We've talked about steampunk here before, I brought it up what, last fall? Nice to see the reviewers catching onto it now...remember the tank the giant parasitic worm was in, in the lab in 'Snakehead'?
Reliquaries were ornamented boxes or caskets containing parts of saints' bodies, including their hearts sometimes. I would love, love to see an interview with the set and props designers for Fringe!

Both doors (always doorways with the Bishops!) are full of heart motifs; Walter's has the 'solutio' alchemical symbol on all four corners and more symbols in the center, including what appears to be perhaps a clock with its hands at 5 o'clock. I'm cleaning up an image and will post it tomorrow with a key to what I've found, I'm sure someone here will have more to add.. . . .?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Thu May 06, 2010 6:37 pm

The inside of the door on Walter's heart cavity: (click for larger)



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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Thu May 06, 2010 6:57 pm

hmm... time...... reminds me of the Observer's watch, Newton's -MD- watch....

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PostSubject: Re: 2x19 "Brown Betty"   Thu May 20, 2010 2:06 am

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There's really no need for anything else on TV.
(my review of 'Brown Betty')
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#Fringe: There's really no need for anything else on TV. 'Brown
Betty' was truly amazing. More, BR, more!
http://twitter.com/Elliot_Lake/status/13114075806
--and Josh agrees with me!


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