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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:08 pm

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and that they should have bound up Charlie

I'm petty sure Olivia did tie Charlie. She bound up Olivia, -not the best way, I agree !- but she did. So I think she did the same for Charlie, but we just didn't see it.

I think Theirlivia arrived at FD, and at the same time said that Olivia was looking for Peter - so a team went to his apartment and found Charlie.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:16 pm

Yes, you're probably right. And I have to remember that what works to forward the storyline (the substitution of NotOlivia, the trapping of OurLivia) wouldn't really have been done by Peter showing Olivia how to be a fugitive.

He knows what to do, and what would have to be done to be sure to be safe---and would have destroyed the recordings (we also don't know that he DIDN'T.... she says hoping..). But then this part of the story wouldn't happen.

At least they have given us that he knows she isn't really anything like OurLivia.

HAH! BadWalter won't know Olivia is a firestarter.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:21 pm

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HAH! BadWalter won't know Olivia is a firestarter.

if Bell and Walternate never met on this side, they never smoked anything suspicious and never saw "roads not taken" nor "glimpse of another universe"... probably never worked on Cortexiphan...

But then, what was it that Newton used to make Walternate feel better after he crossed, and what did they inject to Peter, when the "acclimatation" wasn't complete yet ?

Speakingof Newton, I was dissapointed that he wasn't in the finale.

Sebastian Roché is in Bordeaux, his brother is getting married. Too bad i'm not there, too, cause I know the places he posted pics of grins I could have asked him if he knew why Newton wasn't in the episodes.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:33 pm

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HAH! BadWalter won't know Olivia is a firestarter.

if Bell and Walternate never met on this side, they never smoked anything suspicious and never saw "roads not taken" nor "glimpse of another universe"... probably never worked on Cortexiphan...

But then, what was it that Newton used to make Walternate feel better after he crossed, and what did they inject to Peter, when the "acclimatation" wasn't complete yet ?
About that temporal acclimatization........... they have that technology enough to have been crossing enough to need to help people cross; I don't believe Peter needed it, but also don't believe they knew he didn't, so used it on him anyway. For the storyline, they needed to have him in that hospital type bed hooked up to that stuff---I'd like to know why. He was fine when he came back here. (Maybe he just needs to be here!)

And no, I don't think cortexiphan was made or used over there.

Their Livia wears bright colors.......... she will either do that, buy a bright blouse, or make some comment about colors of clothes, and Peter and Walter will both know something's wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:40 pm

I'm sure Cortexiphan is from Peter and First People. They are the originals and the sources of all the Cortexiphan kids. Being the source of the drug is part of their powers.
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:09 pm

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acclimatization

Erh, yes. Sorry about the spelling.

Or keep her hair red

P : "haven't got your color back ?"

TO : "Er.... no, not yet." *I don't want to be blond !*
"I thought you liked that color better ,"

P : "Er, yes, but.... WHAT ?! I didn't tell you that, I told the other Livia. TRAITOR !!!

TO : "No, no, you told me.... ehm, when"

*THUD*

P (while beating up TO) : "Where. Is. My. Olivia ?!!!"

Sorry about the little what-if rant here.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:05 pm

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P (while beating up TO) : "Where. Is. My. Olivia ?!!!"
THIS!!

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:30 am

About switching Olivias.... do you think they're goona do it Buffy style ?

Peter figures out it's not his Olivia, so they open a door and swtiches Olivias ?
We haven't seen Elizabeth, but I guess she could our "agent on the other side", she'd be the one freeing Olivia there, and poof, Olivia comes back here and Theirlivia back there.

I don't think Peter will have to chase Theirlivia through town though -like Spike chased the demon-, I think Theirlivia is smart enough to agree doing this.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:09 am

While I'd like to think Elizabeth-OT would brook BadWalter and free Olivia, I'm not sure she would. I would love her to do this for Peter, and send them back home together.

Sadly, I think they will make the captured Olivia/annoying changeling Fauxlivia story take longer than *poof*.

But I would love to see Peter harrowing hell to get his Olivia back. And needing, and accepting, Walter's help. Knitting their family back together.

-----------> Say, I was thinking about this this evening: Fauxlivia said, to BadWalter (about the kidnapped Peter) "Your son who was kidnapped 20 years ago?"...... that's wrong (and BR have said the timelines are in complete sync over there/over here). Peter was taken in 1985, not 1990....

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:16 am

Maybe she likes to round numbers.

Or as we do here : when we want to say "2 weeks", we say "15 days" even though two weeks is 14 days.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:19 am

But 5 years? If it was that big a deal (that the tabloids would be all over his return), and she, working for BadWalter-----she'd have known the "correct" year, right?

I guess I just don't trust BadWalter/BadDaddy as far as I can throw him.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:32 am

Or maybe he lied about the year ?... Or do you think they could have a different calendar ?

Like here, there's a lot of Arabs in our town, and most of them have both calendars in their home : one christian (by the way, May 5th here is Ste Judith) and one muslin (spelling ?).

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:18 pm

A question : do you think AlterBroyles and others members of the fringe team from over there had been killed in the explosion at the end of the episode, just before the substitution ?
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:35 pm

Good question !

Not poor AltCharlie, please ! grins

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:40 pm

The poor Charlies are damned !
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:14 pm



Poor Charlies.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:35 pm

I hope they won't kill him too... he doesn't deserve that again...
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:39 pm

I hope (for them) there are only two universes...
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:50 pm

the more I think about it, the more I believe there are three universes...
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:55 pm

There are more, so I hope the best for the thousand of Charlies in the universe.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:07 pm

Poor Charlies! There are of course any number of universes, and in some of them Charlie gets to live longer and not have worms in his gut.

Kreisler, no, I don't think they got killed, they are having fun giving them all (except Josh) the gig of doing two versions of themselves. But then, Peter gets to be whoever he wants to be as needed, I guess...and still we don't know that much about him compared to the others, even with his alt-u origins.

For example, we've seen Olivia's kitchen and bathtub and bed, her at home relaxing, that kind of thing, but Peter by now has a bedroom and we've never seen his own space, he says he has a best friend but we've no idea who that is, (though by now it's Olivia I suppose).

Alt Broyles is still married, Alt-Asterisk is a savant, ----------is there an alt-Brandon? An alt Nina? The alt-rachel is dead (the writers have been funny killing Rachel off twice now!), there is no alt-ella...I hope there is no alt-Loeb or alt-DRJ.

..............speaking of Loeb, so was he talking about "the two sides" being Here and There? And what did he mean by "we saved you"?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:15 pm

But after Olivia threw the phosphorus grenade, i don't think AlterBroyles and his colleagues on the spot could survive.
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:44 pm

I agree---but also I think they will use TV-Magic, and that nano-healing system. They are going to spend at least 6 episodes at the beginning of the season over there, according to John Noble, so I'd think they would not want to miss both Broyles meeting...(have we heard that they do?? I know eventually the Walters will.)

Not-Broyles really I can't see them killing off, though Not-Charlie, that does seem to be the Charlie destiny as far as the Fringe writers are considered.

Too bad, cause I was thinking Not-Charlie could maybe defect to our side, he seemed sarcastic enough to fit in with Peter and kind enough to become Olivia's friend.

And without the conflict that not-Elizabeth would have (until she finds out what BadWalter is really up to. Then she would quite possibly kill BadWalter herself; there is all kinds of precedent for that, and no court in either universe would find her guilty of murder.)

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:07 pm

Hummm....
Look at the sight in both pics.
Do you notice something strange?

Peter's apartment ("Over There part 2")



MD's building ("Of Human Action")

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:24 pm

I'm not an expert in US buildings, but..... are there several buildings of that type, or is Peter's apartment over there at the same place as Massive Dynamics here ?

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