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PostSubject: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:19 pm

First episode of Season 3 is entitled "Olivia".

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:26 am

So, tags are otay?

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It's so nice to have it back.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:12 am

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:02 am

Spoiler:
 

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:33 am

You don't have to put tags................ you're in the episode discussion thread.

Spoilers tags must be used when you're outside this thread. smile

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:44 am

The thread title says NOT SPOILERS so people were trying to comply, I was.

Oh, and Lincoln Lee's jacket doesn't say "301". It says "3301".

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:58 am

I'll give you a nickel if you can tell me what this has to do with this week's episode of Fringe: (and it's a two-fer):
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A misogynistic and snobbish phonetics professor agrees to a wager that he can take a flower girl and make her presentable in high society.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:16 pm

*blinks* Huh?
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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:03 pm

And you doing musicals, BW.

I thought you and Cathy would have noticed it straight away.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:19 pm

Ha, ha, ha, "My Fair Lady".

I did a lot of theatre in high school, college, and dinner theater, but my alto-voice vocal cords couldn't sing for long periods of time without becoming hoarse. In high school they'd give me a juicy part, then rewrite little sections so a music/choir person could do the song.

Man, I thought the thread would be on fire today. But frankly I'm glad it's not spitting declarations of vitriol and outrage. Trust me, at the end I was going, "Seriously? It's not bad enough the Olivia fans have to deal with Peter boinking AltOlivia, you're going to erase the memory of our Olivia???"

I was sad that the only Walters were Dictator Mr. Secretary, and "our" Walter was having one of his more childish days taking apart Oreos on the sidewalk.

Elliot, love your new avi/banner. I'm so used to you being in Peter's camp, but, *cough*, I guess I don't want to get too much into his behavior right now. But, he really doesn't know it's AltOlivia. It would be nice if he could see the little auras (like the beginning credits! ).

My hope that when Peter kissed AltOlivia he would notice she didn't kiss the same was futile. Don't you think AltOlivia would be more, um, assertive like she was with her boyfriend? I suppose she may be working more to impersonate our Olivia.

*shakes head* Bad Robot, what you doin'???? Just trying to piss off the female fan base and give the shippers apoplexy? "Oh, yeah, we're going to do some Shipping, it's going to be the hookups that will make you as mad as possible.

Ignoring the irritants, it's so nice to see Amy Madigan as AltOlivia's mother, unaware of the deception and a powerful enticement for Olivia to accept her new identity.

IMDB did a curious thing, it's not listing her character name. Should I take that as a hint about yet another mystery? The IMDB crowd loved the episode, giving it 9.5 out of 10. Well, that's nice! I need to look up Ken Tucker's review.

Love him or hate him, Seth Gebel's Lincoln Lee is very interesting. I assume their medical technology will return him to his former good looking self even though they performed a miracle bringing him back from crispy-critterdom.

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So, this wasn't as dynamic an opener as last year with Olivia flying through the windshield. I guess they did a tradeoff to generate as much anxiety as possible.

At least the show's back! *waves a limp flag, purses lips over my poor Olivia*
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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:35 pm

I have buckets of vitriol, so much so I am afraid to scare away our silent members here who lurk but never speak.

And I have a horrid suspicion of what they will do about Olivia's true mother, and if they do what I think they are going to, the hypocrisy will be breathtaking.

Plus, the reference to 'My Fair Lady' is pretty skeevy. (It's the cab driver, ladies: Henry Higgins.) "Oh how cute the destruction of the girl's identity" NOT.

Here's the vitriol:
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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:06 pm

Elliot wrote:
The thread title says NOT SPOILERS so people were trying to comply, I was.

I had written that before the episode aired, but I was sleeping when it aired, so didn't have the time to erase it.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:13 pm

*stuffing the large entry back into the itty bitty spoiler tag*

You've given me a lot to think about. I'll have to say that I believe they (the writers) love Olivia, that it's her show. I know, I think I've had this conversation a few times before. Damsel in distress. I.......I've only watched it once.

I was pretty mouth dropped a couple of times when I thought I was watching one Olivia when I was watching the other one.

Amy Madigan as ( ), whatever she is, the scene where Olivia sees her, remembers an AltOlivia memory, that was very touching. She's an agent, she works in law enforcement, she's going to get into danger, maybe danger a lot. IMDB, leaving Amy Madigan's character blank, that was a bit fun, and a bit funny, like they're in on the tease.

I'm usually put out by Peter, or I have been since they got back from the Christmas break the first year, but I can't put this one on him. He really believes he's with Olivia. Their chemistry is still, mmmmm, okay, but I do not blame him for anything he does with AltOlivia.

I think Anna Torv did a pretty good job differentiating between the two Olivias without it looking too broad. AltOlivia is a little more direct, a little more snarky, she doesn't have the (perhaps too sensitive) look in her eye Olivia does, but that sensitivity is something I like, the small amount of shyness that AltOlivia doesn't have any use for. Or that's my interpretation.

On the positive side, Elliot, that's very considerate of you unleashing some of your angrier opinion in the 'spoiler'. The show can't feel that negative towards her character. What would be really cool is a female production person answering your opinion. I haven's studied the producers enough to know if there are any in the creative team. If not, you might have a legitimate gripe. See, I never even 'got' the show "Alias". Although I love Jennifer Garner to pieces, the sex kitten voice with the spy occupation left me unmoved. But I don't think I was the target audience for "Alias". I DO think I'm the target audience for "Fringe", or at least the fanbase for Olivia-well, maybe a little younger target audience, but that's not the point.

Maybe the key is in Secretary Bishop. I'll have to go back and study him a little more. John Noble's face comes on, I mentally wave, "Welcome back", but it's Walternate, who nobody really cares for. But, he's 'saving the world' in true Fox News style, spelling out the necessary loss of liberties to keep his universe safe. Another comparison to loss of freedom vs. loss of Way of Life.

It was surprising how far the cabbie was willing to go to help Olivia. Saw the show only once, I'll have to rewatch for Henry Higgins, which is a WHOLE other can of feminist worms,
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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:17 am

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*stuffing the large entry back into the itty bitty spoiler tag*

You've given me a lot to think about. I'll have to say that I believe they (the writers) love Olivia, that it's her show. I know, I think I've had this conversation a few times before. Damsel in distress. I.......I've only watched it once.

--------more stuffing ahead:

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Henry will help her get home. Which is cool, good that she will have an ally. Yet weird to have the one person there who belives in her named after Higgins.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:07 am

I added a poll, totally forgot about it.

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1. I love Bubbles Henry. He's going to help Ourlivia.
2. Loved the scene where she goes in the bathroom and cries.
3. It was weird to see that amber thing....
4. Brandon.... AH, Brandon. I like our version, but him...
5. Olivia's mom.... died when Olive was fourteen.... nice to finally learn that.
6. I'm going to hug and kiss the guy who said/wrote that "Olivia's mom was supposed to be in France".
7. Lincoln.... creepy face. And I love his Fringe Division shirt.
8. The injections, the memories, the tattoo.... FRANK --- I was wondering earlier this summer if Frank would be here.... and he is. We have AO/P here and O/F there. *hisses* --- all of these.... poor Olivia.
9. Walter and his shoes... had to watch it three times to understand that scene. But Walter is going to suspect her soon.
10. "Why did you come back ?" Although the answer was obvious and nice, he still kissed "her" at the end.


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The entire episode felt like........... a joke.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:34 pm

And as Kreisler said in the French Section, you can hear "Les feuilles mortes" by Yves Montand when Olivia meets "her" mom.


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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:58 pm

Man Lez, did you listen the lyrics ? i didn't make connection, I only realize now...

Mais la vie sépare ceux qui s'aiment
Tout doucement, sans faire de bruit
Et la mer efface sur le sable
Les pas des amants désunis.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:39 pm

Yes, I listened to them !
That's just sad.

Maybe I'm going to translate the lyrics for non speakers.

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Les feuilles mortes (Dead leaves)

"Mais la vie sépare ceux qui s'aiment,
Tout doucement, sans faire de bruit
Et la mer efface sur le sable
Les pas des amants désunis"


"But life tears apart those who are in love,
Very slowly, without making noise
And the sea erases on the sand
The footprints of the separated lovers"

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:53 pm

"The entire episode felt like a joke."

Whoa, Lez, don't pull any punches!

I was mystified by IMDB's 9.5 ranking out of 10 for "Olivia", they're usually so critical.

I still haven't watched it a second time. Chuck hasn't seen it yet, so I'll have his first impressions to help.

I need to check out a couple of other reviews, too, I'm hoping Matt Roush with TV guide wrote something. I regularly disagreed with his assessment of "Moonlight", but I respected his opinion anyway.

And if you've already posted some professional reviews, Lez, I'll check 'em out.
I still love these new colors, easy on the eyes (my middle ages eyes at any rate).
Wouldn't it be nice if Sam Weiss popped in to visit Olivia with a board game......

Thanks for adding the poll, I'm going to do the 2nd view 1st.
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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:03 pm

It did feel like a joke. After the powerful, energized premiere last fall, where they were launched into new investigations and new directions, this felt predictable and tired.

Yah, yah, girl in trouble, been there, family unaware, done that (where's Lassie when you need her?)--then the body snatcher "twist"--are we going to be forced to watch a bunch of remakes of "The Invaders" through episode 8, is that it?
Dudes, we have IMDB, you can't hide. Just cause it isn't X-files doesn't mean we don't recognize retreads.

The smirking setup for Peter to f*** the wrong Olivia..... I am ashamed of Pinkner and Wyman and Orci. Ashamed. And I used to adore them.

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and they don't figure out it's the wrong woman, who had never met any of them? How stupid do BR think Peter and Walter and Broyles and Astrid are?

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:12 pm

lezario wrote:
Yes, I listened to them !
That's just sad.

Maybe I'm going to translate the lyrics for non speakers.

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Les feuilles mortes (Dead leaves)

"Mais la vie sépare ceux qui s'aiment,
Tout doucement, sans faire de bruit
Et la mer efface sur le sable
Les pas des amants désunis"


"But life tears apart those who are in love,
Very slowly, without making noise
And the sea erases on the sand
The footprints of the separated lovers"

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If it's any consolation, that is not the words we use in English, at all. It's poignant, but not killer depressing, in English.

We call it

Autumn Leaves
(words and music by Johnny Mercer and Joseph Kosma)

The falling leaves drift by the window
The autumn leaves of red and gold....
I see your lips, the summer kisses
The sunburned hands, I used to hold
Since you went away, the days grow long
And soon I'll hear ol' winter's song.
But I miss you most of all my darling,
When autumn leaves start to fall.Since you went away, the days grow long
And soon I'll hear ol' winter's song.
But I miss you most of all my darling,
When autumn leaves start to fall.

---Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra do a couple of nice versions.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:38 pm

Yes, in French the words are "chiller". There is no sentimentalism, all the emotion come from the bareness of the situation. The words are very simple and all more impressive.
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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:45 pm

Because I grew up hearing this version... learned to play the piano version to the sheet music to this, that is what is in my head when I hear it from the first two notes. And because this episode is so very bleak, I'm going to hang on to the sweeter version...

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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:57 pm

One of my favorite version is Cannonball and Miles's one (on "Something Else" 1958)
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PostSubject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions   Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:03 pm

Oooh is that on youtube? Cannonball Adderly?

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