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 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion

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PostSubject: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:02 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:35 am

This episode made my eyes hurt, looking at all Fauxlivia's eyeliner. And am I tripping MY brains out, or were both Josh and John wearing too much colored lip gloss? It was like a Halloween show. Cool shape shifter stuff though.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:06 am

I love the episode !!! I felt really sad about newtons death. BUt there is something I didn´t understand .....peter knew olivia was acting differently but I think at the end of the episode he was sure she was his olivia, right?or is just he is trying to convince himself??.....mmmm I just hope Olivia to return the soon as posible and they can solve all this.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:20 am

Newton wasn't really alive, so I think it can be resurrected and questioned. It would be nice for our side to finally catch a break, instead of them having the other side always 5 steps ahead.

Peter's trying to convince himself she's his Olivia-- so the writers can show him having sex with Fakelivia and pretend it's not a slap in the face of the benchwarmers.
I turned the tv off.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:21 pm

Awesome episode!! Guys, don't say peter is stupid because he noted some differences and maybe he knows that she isn't his olivia, but you know that when you are in love you don't want to admit that there's something wrong! The story of the Senator and his wife is an example! Peter will find out the truth
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:25 pm

Man, the episode was great... until the end . The"abomination" and Newton's death (or "break" should i say).
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:28 pm

He noted the difference but he didn't understood the real reason. False analysis. what a pity (for the character).
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:06 pm

Take it easy guys! We are only at the second episode over here. Peter will notice
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:02 pm

Hi Guys!!

I hope that more of our 87? members will come forward and give opinions on this episode. It's been a very emotional topic about if and when Peter might 'go all the way' with AltLiv.

I was actually sorry to see Newton die, the Newton/AltLiv dynamic was so promising, and I've enjoyed Newton more this season than all of last year. It's too bad he didn't get the following Jones received. But I can appreciate the opinion that Newton can always come back. It was very touching the the police officer had grown to love his family so much that he chose them over his shapeshifting life. I shuddered when Newton said he'd already taken care of them.

I have to go to a meeting shortly, but I have many thoughts this episode, as well as the state of "Fringe" in the 3rd season.

Happy Friday, Fringies and Benchies!
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:18 pm

don´t get me wrong. I love Peter, Im not upset with him for not figuring out tha she is not olivia.

The only think I wonder is how peter is going to react when he knows the truth. and also Olivia.....
I love them together ...but I think they are the end game.

anyway I love the episode !!!!! want more fringe!!! grins
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:32 pm

I am really disappointed in the killing off of Newton, and really hoped he was going to be around to twit and smack around Fakelivia. I hated his coldness, but it's preferrable to Fakelivia's. It's so unbeliveable that she gets ALL the breaks and Fringe Division gets none, that is tiresome.

And if Peter and Olivia are the endgame, the writers better get on with it, cause I don't see there being a season 4. And at this point, that is a relief. I might change my mind later after Peter has been run over by a bus, and Fakelivia sent packing, and Olivia come home and smacks Peter around for like 6 episodes.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:56 pm

Ok.

OK.

I'll read your posts after writing this.

My first reaction : WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT ENDING ????????? I WAITED ALL DAY LONG FOR THAT ??????????



And Newton.... SNIF. I loved that guy ! And Sebastian Roché.
I'll miss him.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:08 pm

It's too bad, really. They could have left that part off and we'd all be raving about how amazing the episode was. Instead...

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:09 pm

Absolutely, that was my first feeling.
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:19 pm

I had wondered how closely they would follow the novel's idea, and was pleasantly surprised that they did as much as they did.

That poor policeman-android! He spared Walter, he spared the security folks....... he was a good monster. And then to have Newton off his family, and then them... made me queasy.
And Fakelivia is a bad monster, at least for now.. they may be trying to make her into a good one, but within the 'body snatchers/life snatchers' theme, she can't be. Once she goes home, maybe.

Is the guy who plays Newton getting a movie or other tv role that precludes him being in Fringe any more?

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:23 pm

She felt sick going on a date with another man.

Man, Peter will have to do more than bringing flowers and offering her drinks when she'll be back.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:30 pm

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And Fakelivia is a bad monster, at least for now.. they may be trying to make her into a good one, but within the 'body snatchers/life snatchers' theme, she can't be. Once she goes home, maybe.

I don't know how they will do that with the good one Fakelivia. She abused Peter in his most private, she killed innocent people, betrayed everyone over here, etc. That would be an exploit !
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:34 pm

OMG, I just wrote a book about P/AltLiv and Good Universe vs. Bad Universe.
But now I'll have to go back to work, *pouts*
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:43 pm

I didn't buy her feeling sick. But there are so many things about the Fakelivia performance that are jarring... I can't decide if they are trying to show how stupid the folks here are, for not noticing, or if the writers don't know what they are doing. If the dvd commentary is any indication, it's the latter.

I also didn't buy Peter's starry-eyed conversation at the table; Josh was 'phoning it in'. And finally here I am agreeing with him in wishing they had never gone there with the romance thing. If he can't make us believe it, they should have dropped it long ago.

I'm sad they offed Newton... I was thinking finally, Fakelivia has a worthy opponent! And maybe Newton's androids will stage a revolution against Walternate (remembering the novel).

Sigh.


-----------no, Kreisler, I agree, I don't think they can, now, make her a good monster.

They seem to be burning all their bridges rather quickly, like they want to make us hate everyone, and to kill off as many characters as they can.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:44 pm

Cathy! Where's the book?

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:47 pm

The ratings are out; Fringe got 5.4 m viewers, compared to greys and csi at 13.8 m each and the office at 7.3m.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:49 pm

And the glowing reviews by people who just happened to have had cameos are rolling in; not linking to them, they have their reward.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:14 pm

I had forgotten the poll.

Now you can vote !

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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:27 am

Yikes, Elliot, "betrayal is the only truth that sticks", has someone hurt your feelings? Do you mean like, *jab* sticks, or (lasts) sticks? Either way, if it was a blue observation,

A coworker hurt my feelings today, but I made big strides this week with another coworker, so I'm going to consider it a challenging, but rewarding week. Now all I have to do is quit whining to my husband about it! I have a good life, I just have to remind myself from time to time.

I swear, I've sat down TWICE, written long dissertations, filed them from work and home, and lost the entries! I'm sure it's me, but it's a little frustrating. I'd like to get more feedback on the episode.

Those numbers are awful, I assumed there was more of a science fiction base in the US than that. I could never get into "Dollhouse", but I love the writing on "fringe".

I started out as a P/O shipper, but I don't have to have it. I really hope the show doesn't get boycotted over Peter getting seduced by AltLiv, she was desperate, he was clueless, and I'm sure the discovery and revenge will be dramatic!

The more I watch it, the more I believe that only Walternate is evil, not his universe. "There can be only one" is a selfish philosophy since supposedly there's like 8-12 universes. I lose count. AltLiv doesn't Have to be evil. Maybe that's the only way the writers thought AltLiv would be considered. *thinks* I can't nail down why I liked her so much last night, I admire Olivia more as a character. Maybe it was watching how close she was to discovery last night. It was a hoot for Peter to admit he thought she was completely different since she had come back.

At least "Sanctuary" is starting back up tonight. It's a replay of "Kali", which is too bad since I can almost recite it.

And for so many people to choose "Grey's Anatomy" and "CSI:Las Vegas" over "Fringe"???? I cannot believe it!

Oh man, a "1" out of a "1-10". They'd have to forget their lines midperformance for me to grade them that low. No, if the Peter/AltLiv storyline offended me I would have done the same score. For whoever thought that,
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PostSubject: Re: 3x04 "Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep ?" - Episode Discussion   Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:08 am

Yes I have been betrayed, but that's not what the quote is for. It's for Olivia, who's toiling away trying to make her way to reason and home, and her erstwhile galahad is boinking someone who is not remotely like her, but is blond.

I've read a bunch this past few weeks where people love Anna Torv's beauty, and Olivia, and that transfers to Fauxlivia, as though if you like one the other character must be good. I loved the actor who played Caligula, come on. It's not like it's impossible for an actor one likes to play a villain, is it? Cause not only is Anna's Fauxlivia wooden and overly made up, she's a stone killer, and the utter unconvincingness of her portrayal of Olivia wouldn't fool Gene, let alone the rest of the team.

So I'm left with BR deciding to make all of this side not only responsible for every bad thing over there, but less hip, less pretty, less sexy, and less interesting than over there. And way way more stupid. Charlie knows it's not Fauxlivia and he's never kissed her, Peter's been in love with Olivia for-- a while now, into her since the pilot-----and supposedly very adept at reading people, and he's a total moron when he gets a taste of................

Here's why I gave it a 1; because BR is trying to force us to dislike our side and like the other side, and give them a pass for wanton killings, deceit, etc., all because Anna is pretty and the idea of an alt-u is cool. And he took a direct slap at the shippers as a bonus.

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