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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:04 pm

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Hi, Xeen, fringerfan, Lez and Elliot!

Oh, my poor "Fringe". I don't even want to think about it being cancelled.

Just because I'm mad at the development, I don't want to lose the show, it's my favorite show on television and I live for Friday nights.

It was my favorite until the fakelivia story. I'd like Fringe back.

Okay, so they chose a cruel story for the Benchwarmers. I'll deal with it as I suppose Olivia will deal with it.

The thing that has perhaps upset me the most is that they seem to be writing Olivia as whiny and needy now, to make her look bad in comparison to fakey. They are trying to force the audience to prefer fakey--and believe that Peter does, or should.


I don't like AltLiv, but I don't spit vehemence at her, either. ANY girl/woman knows if you have sex, and you have sex for a couple of months with no precautions, you might get pregnant. So I'm wondering if she didn't do it on purpose.

I think so too. Especially since they are all "advanced and better than the blue universe scientifically and in every other way if you ignore the whole murderous fascist dictatorship thingy".
Which makes me even less sympathetic with her. Entrapment, yah, that's the kinda girl you want to marry.

Lincoln Lee is in love with AltLiv. Frank feels betrayed because of the math on her pregnancy and she said yes to marrying him. Did she know she was pregnant? Six weeks is barely a missed menstrual cycle. So Frank is probably going to leave AltLiv.
Lincoln Lee will take her, pregnancy or no. I'm one who really enjoyed his overprotectiveness for AltLiv. Elliot (Hi, Elliot, again! ) makes fun of Lincoln Lee's voice and pale complexion. I LIKE him, I think something about him is very sexy, so HA! There!

Is it the eyeliner, or the squeaky voice? Seriously, Kirk Acevedo is much sexier.

C'mon guys! Don't Boycott watching the show!

Only the episodes with fakey in them, or trying to make us like her or walternate better, or the redverse better. Or when Pinkner is cruel to Olivia. I'm sure there will be a few I will watch.

If the show cancels, it will kill the websites. What would we do, sit around and talk about Season 1-3 endlessly?

The show needs us to watch it.

The show needs to be watchable. The science got dumber and dumber, the cosmology is sillier yet, and the fate of the universe hanging on Peter's --er--um--

eeeewwww.


Lincoln Lee is going to get AltLiv. Peter is going to get Olivia.

*hugs Cathy* *shouts at Pinkner: THIS!! THIS would save the show from cancellation!*

Peter's offspring might pose some danger because he may be able to initiate The Machine like Peter can.

I think that is really what Pinkner intended Walternate to intend, to make a baby for the machine. The threatening breakup of Peter and Olivia is part of that dislike of happiness that writers think is hip. And may be misdirection.

I found Walternate's mistress very interesting. I like her, although I'm not sure if she's a villain, she's very smart.

I'm thinking though that Peter's mama over there will be committing suicide as well--loses her boy, and her husband, stuck with a man that doesn't love her any more...

I love to hate AltBrandon as much as I love our Brandon. AltBrandon is about as evil as they come, whereas Brandon is a Sweetie! Ryan McDonald must be having a blast playing both parts. IMDB trivia about him, he was a high school speed walking champion.

If I want something easy to watch, I'll change the channel over to "Hawaii 5-0", where Orci and Kurtzman seem to be enjoying a casual viewing audience.

Nothing casual about "Fringe".

I may hate the pregnancy, but I love "Fringe". They can't end it in a storyline like this, please, Fox!

I agree, and I soooooo hope they are telling the truth when they say there is more to Fringe than the babydaddy storyline and the red universe. For dog's sake I hope so, I'm half pissed and half bored.


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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:24 pm

You can keep Kirk Acevedo and I'll keep Bryce Dallas Howards' husband! :

I was going to (playfully) smack you over bashing Seth Gabel until you liked my dual pairing in the dual universes.

Lincoln Lee + AltLiv, Peter + Olivia= Peace at last in the Fringe Universe.

I DO like watching the Alt-Universe episodes, they're barely in the future, sheep are extinct, disease outbreaks are much more common. I could watch the dirigibles float over the city all day. And I could use a ear-phone like that.

Can only the shapeshifters come over here? Are the shapeshifters a different race? AltLiv asked the guy who shot something in her spine before she could come over here, "I thought you all were neutral".

When's the actual Invasion going to begin, or are Walternate and company planning to destroy us while staying in their universe with their Machine.......

And although I can't remember AltBrandon dying, I will never forget Alt-Broyles and his sacrifice to allow BOTH universes to survive. Everyone over there isn't evil, they've just been through a lot, like the whirlpool. And they believe WE started the invasion.

I can't wait to see the next episode!

I even tolerate Elliot's dissecting my ramblings, especially when you hug me.
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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:41 pm

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just attempting to put an extralayer of mystery
not working IMHO

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:55 pm

Hi Cathy.

I Haven't seen yet the ep .
But as i read you, there's what I'm thinking at this point.

ALtLiv, seems to have a part of real feelings for Peter. Maybe this pregnancy will change even more her attitude ... I think, yes maybe at the beginiing being pregnant was a Walternate order, but as she seems to evoluate, feeling real love for this adorable and lovely Peter, I think now she would fight to save this baby, their baby (yes I'm a definitive romantic :lol: ) and even sacrify herself to save him and by the way our world too. (and so Peter can have his baby back with him and ourlivia)

LIncoln : I love him too, and i'm glad he's back. Peter is the sexiest ever but Lincoln is just behind in my opinion.

I hope, really, really hope Fringe won't be cancel because it's my favorite show for these last years . Please, please Fox , let it on screen !

well , now, i just have to see the episode to decide if i want to smash Altlivia or if I let her have some excuses
(and I'm already sad, not seeing Peter in it)
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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:06 pm

I'd love a 4th season if this one wasn't getting worse.....

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:52 pm

Peter's baby with fakey, brought here to this universe, would mean no romance for Peter and Olivia, ever. Do you really want that?

And-- a baby engendered out of deceit could not be less romantic. Besides, Peter probably has spawn all over the place in this universe. Maybe Olivia could be forced to raise them too?

And please, no, dog no, on having fakey sacrifice herself for the universes.
Demotes Olivia completely. What would be the point of having Olivia at all?

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:04 pm

*grins evilly* unless fakey sacrifices herself and NOBODY NOTICES SHE"S GONE. grins

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:09 pm

fringerfan, see the ep. AltLiv is not the AntiChrist, despite what, ahem, some people think. And I'm so glad you think Lincoln Lee is attractive, too, we can admire him together!

I'm amazed people chose not to watch. It's too bad we don't have fanfic writers.
They could either choose to do a "Happily Ever After" with P/O, or a horrific death for AltLiv and purge their hate, *cough, Elliot, cough*

Oh, we've got to have a 4th season, there's too much to enjoy.

The Alt-Universe shows are not that bad! It's neat to see some of their sci-fi advances. I get to see Lincoln Lee, too. Fringerfan, you'll see what I mean about him being in love with AltLiv with this episode. He goes bananas when she's in danger of being the host to more than a baby.

I'm a little sad for Frank. Yes, AltLiv would have married him and let him believe the baby was his. I know, I know, she's without the usual conscience. I don't think Frank's going to forgive her. I think Lincoln would take her knowing it's someone else's baby, I think he loves her that much.

But no matter what, I might rail against the decisions the writers make sometimes, but I'll never boycott the show, I love it, love it, LOVE IT!
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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:08 am

O, I think they're big boys and can take criticism, Cathy smile This has to be what they were after, with the hype of the fetal monster, anyway. Hydatiform mole, maybe?

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:28 pm

Terrific review by Josie Kafka, thanks, Lez.

*sigh* We get these eloquent love letters to the show, why can't we get more viewers?

Or at least hope Fox realizes the cerebral attraction, the sheer volume of conversation and ideas that makes "Fringe" more than just another science fiction show.

Seth Gabel on the verge of being too pretty, that's why he needs the beard to scruff him up. Maybe that's why I thought he didn't look so bad as
his burns began to heal.
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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:50 pm

smile I would love to get this reviewer to weigh in; I don't watch the show except at the end of it when I turn on the tv to wait for Castle, but they capture it perfectly, and while I read this review I kept hearing in my head, them reviewing Fringe, as it is Bachelor:Universe now; and I may now begin to think of Peter as 'wombat' and fauxlivia as michelle the villainess:
http://blogs.chron.com/tubular/archives/2011/02/in_which_the_ba.html

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:01 pm

"Bachelor:Universe"

You kill me, Judy!

"He still has feelings for her" was such a hornet's nest thrown into the fray, it really wasn't fair to Peter. He'd had an intimate, physical relationship with someone whom he Thought was Olivia. Don't you remember the way he was staring into space waiting for 3 hours to pass and AltLiv was asleep? He thought her writing about him would be what a dupe he was. And AltLiv didn't write about him that way. Olivia quoted AltLiv saying it would be easy to forget why she was over here.

I'm not going to let go what Olivia said to him, "We can get past this."

Just because there's a baby in the mix doesn't mean (despite what Sam Weiss told Nina) that Peter could possibly love AltLiv more than Olivia.

I don't know if AltLiv knew she was pregnant when she told Frank she'd marry him,
6 weeks pregnant is still time to think you missed a cycle because of stress, or traveling between universes. She met with Walternate, he says nothing will be spared for his grandson.

But Walternate's machine looked like it was going to kill Peter in the process of destroying our universe. What plans Walternate has for Jr. remain unknown.

I cannot see in any way how Peter could prefer AltLiv over Olivia. Your crass joke about dressed-up Olivia 'jumping' dressed-up Peter may have some merit. If only our two protagonists would have some drinks like they did in the good old days.

I hope you're watching this week. grins
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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:39 pm

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"Bachelor:Universe"

You kill me, Judy!

"He still has feelings for her" was such a hornet's nest thrown into the fray, it really wasn't fair to Peter.

I completely agree! And out of keeping with his character. I think, done exactly to stir up the hornet's nest, and to make Olivia look 2nd rate, and to make people fear he will prefer fakey. (But then I never thought he'd fall for the deception in the first place.) This little storyline just reads false and dumb.

He'd had an intimate, physical relationship with someone whom he Thought was Olivia. Don't you remember the way he was staring into space waiting for 3 hours to pass and AltLiv was asleep? He thought her writing about him would be what a dupe he was.

And if the writers weren't trying to have it both ways, they would have had just that in her writing.

And AltLiv didn't write about him that way. Olivia quoted AltLiv saying it would be easy to forget why she was over here.

Ditto above. This part is just skanky (of the writers.) It was I am sure added in once they saw how we hated fakey and the whole subplot, to make her sympathetic, and to stick a shiv in Olivia's guts.

I'm not going to let go what Olivia said to him, "We can get past this."

Me either!!

Just because there's a baby in the mix doesn't mean (despite what Sam Weiss told Nina) that Peter could possibly love AltLiv more than Olivia.

I agree! And while I think that will prove to be what they do with the show, it gravels me to see them put Olivia through the pain between here and there. (Also confirms my dislike of the Sam Weiss character, or more precisely, of what they do with him.)

I don't know if AltLiv knew she was pregnant when she told Frank she'd marry him,
6 weeks pregnant is still time to think you missed a cycle because of stress, or traveling between universes. She met with Walternate, he says nothing will be spared for his grandson.

But Walternate's machine looked like it was going to kill Peter in the process of destroying our universe. What plans Walternate has for Jr. remain unknown.

I cannot see in any way how Peter could prefer AltLiv over Olivia. Your crass joke about dressed-up Olivia 'jumping' dressed-up Peter may have some merit. If only our two protagonists would have some drinks like they did in the good old days.

Indeed. I agree!
The two (Our Two!) need to, and I wouldn't be very surprised if things move ahead full steam for them this week, after seeing the Canadian promo. For one thing, they may relent and decide to let the two of them be happy for a scene or two, for another, they may have finally seen that the ratings plummet each time they try to make us love fakey, and rise when Olivia is back in the forefront.


Honestly, some of the pressure behind the fakelivia triangle is probably more than misplaced priaprism on the part of Pinkner (there's an alliterative sentence I did not plan but will accept! )---some of it was probably done all along to force ratings and "buzz" for the year.


I hope you're watching this week.

I am; I just boycott the ones with Fakey or Walternate; if they killed off both of them today, I could probably even enjoy the red universe.

And I'm watching this week in much anticipation of them mending their relationship.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:58 pm

I just hope there's nothing awful after
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, just like the last scene in 3.12.....

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:20 am

Oh, don't start, let me at least enjoy it while it lasts! The writers cannot be completely nasty, can they?

(or are you entering the "i don't trust the fringe writers as far as I can throw a piano" camp, too? I had momentarily stepped back...)

Cause any more P/O romance killing, the ratings will fall directly into the toilet where they would deserve to go.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:00 pm

Wow. I wonder if we can actually do it? Change the writers' direction with P/O?
What's Wrong with a Romance, the Romance the Benchies want, 3 years into the show?

3.8 million viewers is dismal. All I can do is hope and wish that there are Fox executives that see how great "Fringe" is, whether we can have a romance or not.

I read that um, things will unfold in a way the viewers don't expect. What that means, only Jeff Pinkner, the writers, and the spoilerhos (Hi, spoilerhos! ) know.

Please, Mr. Pinkner, the network isn't going to let you go on for 4, 5, 6 years when the fanbase gets so riled up and the ratings sag so badly. You don't have to make it a sappy love story, just give us something to inspire fan art again!
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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:27 pm

Good points! It gets uncomfortable to be blamed for not watching feverishly enough when the characters get trashed by the writers. I love Olivia, and hate seeing her diminished to make Plot Device look more appealing.

And as the manifesto writer, (no, not that one! grins), I always maintained it didn't have to be all hot and heavy all the time, but--since they brought it up! it should progress as natural affections do. And it doesn't have to be the forefront of the show.

Instead, we got Olivia's demotion, Peter's waffling, and Plot Device got a baby. The pattern, the machine, zft, remember them? The coming war, the first wave? All that stuff Newton knew? David Robert Jones? The teleporter? The time-travelling teleporter? Peter's weird connections? St. Claire's?

So.................. raising a metaphorical glass of scotch from Olivia's desk drawer...here's to a win for the Benchwarmers, some romance for Olivia and Peter, and a return to the storyline we all watch fringe for. I think it's possible, and I know it would be a massive shot in the arm for the ratings.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:00 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:05 pm

It's short and there's nothing really interesting.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:18 pm

Then back to seed sowing; thank you, m'dear!

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:23 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 3x13 "Immortality" - Episode Discussion   Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:37 pm

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Instead, we got Olivia's demotion, Peter's waffling, and Plot Device got a baby. The pattern, the machine, zft, remember them? The coming war, the first wave? All that stuff Newton knew? David Robert Jones? The teleporter? The time-travelling teleporter? Peter's weird connections? St. Claire's?

So.................. raising a metaphorical glass of scotch from Olivia's desk drawer...here's to a win for the Benchwarmers, some romance for Olivia and Peter, and a return to the storyline we all watch fringe for. I think it's possible, and I know it would be a massive shot in the arm for the ratings.

From your keyboard to Jeff Pinkner's ears! They threw all the storylines up on the wall in the first part of the first year to see what would stick and what wouldn't. Olivia's father. Walter's father. "The Arrival" of that silver missle thang, What Was That, it seemed so important.

One concern I have is their budget. They may Have to do some fighting in the alt-universe, so they can use graphics to save money. They're clever with a modest budget. Guess we'll see.
And I can't check the spoilers *chews the mouse cord*
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Yes, indeed.

And then people ask why we're underpaid.

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