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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Tue May 10, 2011 5:37 pm

Yellow Peter! grins
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Tue May 10, 2011 8:19 pm

grins As long as he and Olivia and Walter can take up where they left off, (oooh Peter and Olivia still married! or at least close!)........ I won't worry about what color background he's had.

Brown Betty sure had a lot of parallels with the day we died; Olivia sent off in a box in the sea, Peter rescuing her; Peter diverting the heart into another purpose so he and Walter could share it; him cooking for Olivia; Ella and happy endings/no happy endings ( :( ), Walter not being responsible for all the bad things, etc.

No Sam in Brown Betty though! Hmmm.

Peter in Brown Betty was NOT happy to see the Observers and their cylinder; wonder if that means anything going forward?

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Tue May 10, 2011 8:23 pm

Maybe in Walter's head the observers were enemies because he has always been worried that they'd took peter one day. What if peter's destiny wasn't necessary the machine but something to do with the observers?
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Tue May 10, 2011 8:32 pm

Oh, I like that! Both ideas are very good.
I think Peter and Olivia and Walter are meant to be together, and they also have a destiny (and you know how I hate that concept! but within the framework of the story BR are telling).

While they are apart from their boy, I wonder what frame of mind they will be in? And what wreckage there will be without him? He saved a lot of people while he was with them (starting with the young Olivia!)

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Tue May 10, 2011 8:52 pm

ohhh...how will olivia be able to use her cortexipowers without peter? grins
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Tue May 10, 2011 9:05 pm

Good question! I don't think she will. And think of all the things that made them who they are now, from interactions with him; "What Lies Beneath", "Peter", "Fracture", "Safe", "Bound" "Jacksonville".......... they would be completely different people without him.

A re-tread of "It's a Wonderful Life." And, if it goes on longer than one episode, bleh. But they worked so hard to give us those three, to develop them, I cannot see BR just trashing all that.

And Wyman says she won't forget!!

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Tue May 10, 2011 9:20 pm

Well maybe there will be episodes where she won't remember peter, or maybe projection peter will come back and at the same time we'll see what happened to Peter.
You're right, without peter the dopplanghers will be completely different!
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Tue May 10, 2011 10:38 pm

I think too, after this season with only half the eps having Peter (really; Astral Peter counts, but he was only a few minutes out of the eps), and now to have gotten rid of him entirely, to have too many eps without Peter in them will put the ratings firmly in the toilet. And Bad Robot surely knows that, and won't do it.

(Timer went off while I was typing! grins)

Plus, I think they feel their investment in the characters the way we do; so while that was a terribly sad ending, I don't believe it will stick.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 11, 2011 2:53 am

Aftermath:


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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 11, 2011 3:05 am

And some behind the scenes images from The Day We Died:
http://fringelatino.blogspot.com/2011/05/imagenes-bts-del-3x22-day-we-died.html
I'd have added this link to the above post, but when I edit posts with vids in them, the vids go away :(

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 11, 2011 4:53 am

So....the first people are us.... -.-
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 11, 2011 3:50 pm

grins Didn't really explain a whole lot, did it?

My guess is, they haven't written any of Season 4 yet and are waiting a while to do that. When is filming supposed to start up again? Not til mid June at the earliest, right? And even then, that would just require them to have the opening episode in mind.
Having Orci back will perhaps impose a bit more order on things...writing had gotten fairly confused, from the comments from the team on the DVD's.

The way Josh talked, they haven't decided what to do with Peter.............. so I think, the Peter fans better remind BR how much he means to us (we haven't forgotten him!).

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 11, 2011 3:55 pm

Well the writers never say their ideas to the actors. Josh said that but maybe pinkner and weiman know what to do with peter's character and they'll have all the summer to work grins
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 11, 2011 3:58 pm

Mmmm....maybe the first people were the first who discovered the machine and peter's drawing
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 11, 2011 8:31 pm

I see Seth Gable's been made a series regular.

Say..... we never saw "14 year old Walter"; and I think a lot of the spoiler pics from filming didn't get shown in the finale, either.. I don't remember seein the armored personnel carriers, and the scene of Peter and Olivia looking at the Orpheum in flames..if it was there, it was pretty thin.

In the Hitfix interview, they say their core viewers don't care about the characters, just the mythology, so that makes me a bit nervous about what will become of Peter.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Fri May 13, 2011 8:08 pm


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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Sat May 14, 2011 4:38 pm

I found this interesting theory:

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I have a hunch that the writers of Fringe are using ideas from past comic book series. I found this on Wikipedia:

“In 1994's Justice League Task Force #16, during Zero Hour, an unknown superhuman named Triumph appeared...Triumph seemingly "saved the world", but was teleported into a dimensional limbo that also affected the timestream, resulting in no one having any memory of him. This was to explain how all the heroes ended up in Washington for their first meeting.”

“The story begins when characters from alternate realities such as Alpha Centurion, an alternate version of Batgirl, and Triumph suddenly started appearing in the main DC Universe, to everybody's confusion; this happens because time is being somehow "compressed." Then a wave of "nothingness" is seen moving from the end of time to its beginning, erasing entire historical ages in the process (an effect similar to the anti-matter wave that destroyed many universes in Crisis on Infinite Earths).”

After all, it’s easier to recreate than reinvent the wheel...and why are there so many references to DC comics throughout the series? The writers created a Fringe cartoon (not normal...so why did they do this other than just for creative purposes?), in Walternate’s apartment he had a collection of DC Comic books Peter use to collect, and we just recently saw an episode using cartoon animation which was a collaboration between Fringe and DC Comics. It’s just all to coincidental.

"Triumph" was also the brand of Peter's jeans jacket!

I also found interesting that this Triumph appeared during Zero Hour, very similar to Zero Event in Fringe. In "6:02 am est" sam weiss wrote an equation with "0" as result. There can be also a reference to the big beng's origins and the name of the machine "the vacuum". What if Peter came from this "limb" (yellow universe?) together with the observers and now that he "served his purpose" for the blue and red universes he came back to his original world?
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Sat May 14, 2011 9:54 pm

Fringe Televison interview with the producers who answer some fan questions:

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EW:Who took the “doomsday machine” back in time?

PINKNER:

Either Walter mechanically put the machine through the wormhole or some
human being traveled through the wormhole and took it back. Whether or
not we’ll follow up on that, we’ll see. Hopefully the notion that came
across was that “The First People” included at least Walter, and that he
created the machine and sent it through time.

EW:Is this the end of the Peter/Olivia romance? Or is that still in play?

PINKNER:

Well, at the moment, Peter’s not even in play, so that curtails a
relationship. And at the moment there are two Olivias, so it would be
interesting to have a love triangle with just two Olivias. It seems a
large portion of our fanbase was initially resistant to the idea of a
relationship but got on board. We’re still very much interested in
exploring it. Hopefully this is a long and unfolding story. We don’t
want to shut down any avenues, be it Bell or Lincoln and Charlie or
Peter/Olivia.

WYMAN: We think people are invested in the relationship, and we are, too.

PINKNER:
We have said from the beginning that Fringe is
a family drama masquerading as a science fiction/investigation show.
But it’s called Fringe because it’s about three characters that live on
the fringe of life and society and have a hard time dealing with their
own emotions, but who find each other and find connection with each
other. We will remain true to that.
more here: http://www.fringetelevision.com/2011/05/fringeexec-producers-jeff-pinkner-jh.html

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Mon May 16, 2011 3:51 am

New jonxprods promo video coming of the cast, talking about S4 and the whereabouts of Peter: bit.ly m96pBE

......And if there's a season 4 speculation & spoiler thread, I've missed it, sorry!

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 18, 2011 4:51 am

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Question: With Kirk Acevedo cast in NBC’s Prime Suspect reboot, does that mean we won’t see Charlie on Fringe next season?! That was one of the best things about the Alt. Universe! — Erica
Ausiello:

“All I know is they do want me back,” the actor himself told TVLine’s
Matt Mitovich at NBC’s upfront presentation on Monday, adding that he
wants to go back. “It’s a great group of guys over there, and [on-screen
partner] Seth [Gabel] is such a good guy. I talk to him all the time.”
So what’s the trouble? “I can only, contractually, do maybe three or
four [episodes],” he reveals.
(Ausiello)

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 18, 2011 3:38 pm

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Well, at the moment, Peter’s not even in play, so that curtails a
relationship


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But it’s called Fringe because it’s about three characters that live on
the fringe of life and society and have a hard time dealing with their
own emotions, but who find each other and find connection with each
other. We will remain true to that


What a convoluted season!

They took out the addictive part of romance for me, the transition from friendship to platonic love to romantic love. They went from friendship to dressing alike (yea, peacoats! ) to flirting in Season One. They might be "masquerading" as a science fiction show, but Season One had the best collection of science fiction plots.

I wasn't really moved by Olivia declaring her love for Peter at the end of Season Two in the Other Universe. But I love the Alternate Universe so I let it go, hoping the hormones between the characters would kick in. My favorite show of the second season was the fascist chemist who could narrow lethal effects to small genetic differences between people. Cruel and fascinating, the ending was an awesome twist.

Jeff Pinkner underestimated how much damage would be caused by allowing The Other Olivia to be the first to make love to Peter. Then it was like, "two months later"........He was right not to rub the deception in at viewers, but I felt robbed.

However, Peter's hallucinatory visits to Olivia in the Other Universe were the closest thing to the urgency and the desire that I'd wanted all along.

So when middle-aged Peter talked about making Olivia breakfast that morning, it was sweet, but now in the "comfortable" stage, years after they walked up those stairs at Peter's house together. *big sigh* It's nice to see them so comfortable, but this viewer is going to get bored with "comfortable" .

......mmmmmmmmm. So maybe Peter fullfilling his actual destiny as the bridge between the two universes will allow the cooperation many fans thought should be possible instead of the "Us vs. Them" mentality.

I liked seeing grown up Ella. But of course she'd be an agent!

But only the Observers remember that Peter ever existed. Was this the mission they'd wanted all along for Peter? Is this why they went out of their way to save him?

My bet is that September, for whatever reason, will end up telling Olivia about Peter. Ooooooo. Maybe we could get a chance to do the romance RIGHT this time.
No way they're going to let Josh Jackson go. Will Walter be more stable, since he won't have Peter to lean on for psychological support?

Goodness, the questions can go ballistic. But fortunately for me, they're making me work now.

"The Day We Died." I love their titles.
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 18, 2011 3:41 pm

For me peter (the real peter) is in another timeline/universe where the observers come from grins
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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 18, 2011 4:31 pm

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What a convoluted season!

They took out the addictive part of romance for me, the transition from friendship to platonic love to romantic love. They went from friendship to dressing alike (yea, peacoats! ) to flirting in Season One. They might be "masquerading" as a science fiction show, but Season One had the best collection of science fiction plots.

I wasn't really moved by Olivia declaring her love for Peter at the end of Season Two in the Other Universe. But I love the Alternate Universe so I let it go, hoping the hormones between the characters would kick in. My favorite show of the second season was the fascist chemist who could narrow lethal effects to small genetic differences between people. Cruel and fascinating, the ending was an awesome twist.

Jeff Pinkner underestimated how much damage would be caused by allowing The Other Olivia to be the first to make love to Peter. Then it was like, "two months later"........He was right not to rub the deception in at viewers, but I felt robbed.


However, Peter's hallucinatory visits to Olivia in the Other Universe were the closest thing to the urgency and the desire that I'd wanted all along.

So when middle-aged Peter talked about making Olivia breakfast that morning, it was sweet, but now in the "comfortable" stage, years after they walked up those stairs at Peter's house together. *big sigh* It's nice to see them so comfortable, but this viewer is going to get bored with "comfortable" .

......mmmmmmmmm. So maybe Peter fullfilling his actual destiny as the bridge between the two universes will allow the cooperation many fans thought should be possible instead of the "Us vs. Them" mentality.

I liked seeing grown up Ella. But of course she'd be an agent!

But only the Observers remember that Peter ever existed. Was this the mission they'd wanted all along for Peter? Is this why they went out of their way to save him?

My bet is that September, for whatever reason, will end up telling Olivia about Peter. Ooooooo. Maybe we could get a chance to do the romance RIGHT this time.

No way they're going to let Josh Jackson go. Will Walter be more stable, since he won't have Peter to lean on for psychological support?

Goodness, the questions can go ballistic. But fortunately for me, they're making me work now.

"The Day We Died." I love their titles.

Agreed! And hoping Orci will return some of the sci-fi, and the urgency.

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PostSubject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion   Wed May 18, 2011 4:36 pm

I'm not sure that September will tell olivia about Peter. Not this time i think. They have a specific agenda and probably next season we'll learn part of their plan.
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