Season 3 General Spoilers (#2)

So is that confirmed spoiling, or--put out there to scare us into watching--or put out there to see what the audience will accept, since they have time to decide which things to leave into the final cut?

And since it should be clear by now who I would like to have die, and it would kill off an already struggling show to kill off one of our Three, so they won't do that, I'll let others say who they think will die.

Elliot wrote:

So is that confirmed spoiling, or--put out there to scare us into watching--or put out there to see what the audience will accept, since they have time to decide which things to leave into the final cut?

It is confirmed.

Remember this pic ?

It's from next week episode "Entrada"

Can't wait to see Peter with a gun.

lezario wrote:

Remember this pic ?

It's from next week episode "Entrada"

Can't wait to see Peter with a gun.

yessss peter with a gun!!!! I can't wait!!

Yes, and Olivia, Olivia, Olivia !

And with a clue.

Question: Do you think moving Fringe to Friday nights indicates that Fox wants to give the show a chance and is willing to accept lower numbers on a Friday than on a Thursday? Can Friday night truly become a place for more genre type shows? After all, The X-Files started on Fox on Friday nights more than 15 years ago. Or is Fox simply using it as a dumping ground recognizing that both Sarah Connor and Dollhouse failed there? Can't there be a place on network TV for those of us more into science fiction rather than crime shows? — Faye

Matt Roush: Kind of hard to put a positive spin on this move, since this is the last place a fan of Fringe wants to see it end up on Fox's lineup. In Fringe's favor, this series is more established than many of the shows that Fox has hung out to dry in the Friday graveyard in recent years. And as you suggest, the expectations will be lower than on other nights, and if Fringe can hold on to much of its Thursday audience when it moves to Fridays in late January (following Kitchen Nightmares, not the most compatible lead-in), that could be seen as a win. But this move is hardly a sign of confidence in a show that took a big risk this season with its alternating split-universe structure. To answer your rhetorical question about the future of sci-fi on network TV: It's always a risk, but there should be a place on the schedule of an adventurous network like Fox for cult TV with strong media buzz and loyal (if relatively modest in size) fan support.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2010/11/ask-matt-various-shows-22nd-november.html#ixzz162GG6Tj9

And the same article but on TVGuide website :
Ask Matt: Palins on TV, Mentalist, Fringe, Blue Bloods, and More!

The Promo pictures of 3.09 Marionette are on Fox's website !

Wowww interesting!!

OLIVIA !!!!!!! OURLIVIA !!!

And take a look at this one...... They're talking... about the case, I guess.

lezario wrote:

OLIVIA !!!!!!! OURLIVIA !!!

YAY !

racoca wrote:

Question: Do you think moving Fringe to Friday nights indicates that Fox wants to give the show a chance and is willing to accept lower numbers on a Friday than on a Thursday? Can Friday night truly become a place for more genre type shows? After all, The X-Files started on Fox on Friday nights more than 15 years ago. Or is Fox simply using it as a dumping ground recognizing that both Sarah Connor and Dollhouse failed there? Can't there be a place on network TV for those of us more into science fiction rather than crime shows? — Faye

Matt Roush: Kind of hard to put a positive spin on this move, since this is the last place a fan of Fringe wants to see it end up on Fox's lineup. In Fringe's favor, this series is more established than many of the shows that Fox has hung out to dry in the Friday graveyard in recent years. And as you suggest, the expectations will be lower than on other nights, and if Fringe can hold on to much of its Thursday audience when it moves to Fridays in late January (following Kitchen Nightmares, not the most compatible lead-in), that could be seen as a win. But this move is hardly a sign of confidence in a show that took a big risk this season with its alternating split-universe structure. To answer your rhetorical question about the future of sci-fi on network TV: It's always a risk, but there should be a place on the schedule of an adventurous network like Fox for cult TV with strong media buzz and loyal (if relatively modest in size) fan support.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2010/11/ask-matt-various-shows-22nd-november.html#ixzz162GG6Tj9

Thanks, I really appreciated both the question and the answer. It makes sense the future of science fiction won't be on network television, but a show like this should find a place in Fox's lineup. Dollhouse never grabbed me like Fringe does. It's so much fun, even when I'm "Eww"ing at the gross shots and yelling at my tv.

Peter looks.....lost....He seems sad :(

So nice to see them both on the same picture.

Drinking coffee.

What else ?

lezario wrote:

So nice to see them both on the same picture.

Drinking coffee.

What else ?

But "Heaven can wait..."
("Le paradis peut attendre, George, mais pas pour ses capsules")

jade86 wrote:

Peter looks.....lost....He seems sad :(

well unfortunally It's not a surprise.... since all that happened to him.....poor peter I want himm to be happy

And olivia is back!!peter and olivia!!

Yes!! Peter and Olivia! I missed them and our dear team in general

Kreisler wrote:

lezario wrote:

So nice to see them both on the same picture.

Drinking coffee.

What else ?

But "Heaven can wait..."
("Le paradis peut attendre, George, mais pas pour ses capsules")

"We recycle..."

jade86 wrote:

Peter looks.....lost....He seems sad :(

I'm glad he does, I think; I think it means he realizes there is a problem, that he may have hurt his Olivia.

I'm hoping demanding that the producers don't torture them any longer with this, and that they let them be happy together. They saw how much everyone hated the fakelivia stuff, maybe they will relent and let them be together now. I know it will take some healing--------but they love each other.

Ratings force shift in genre schedule

Quote :

Get your last look at a ratings chart like this one, because it won't be around for long.

Networks have made some tough decisions about genre programming like
"The Event" and "Fringe," either giving them a break from the schedule,
or looking for new timeslots.
"Fringe" got the worst from it from Fox after the network said it would move the show from Thursdays to Fridays. That was despite the J.J. Abrams series
getting a small rebound this past week to a 3.1 rating/5 share,
according to Fast National overnight ratings from The Nielsen Co. Yet
its 3.2/5 average is still 18 percent lower than what the Thursday
timeslot was doing the year before, which still wasn't that spectacular
for Fox.

. . .
Top Genre Shows, Week of Nov. 14 -- [Audience Loyalty Index rating]

1. (1)	No Ordinary Family (ABC)	4.3/7	[78.7]
2. (2)	The Event (NBC)	3.6/5	[65.3]
3. (-)	Chuck (NBC)	3.4/5	[93.2]
4. (4)	Fringe (Fox)	3.1/5	[90.6]
5. (5)	Smallville (CW)	1.5/3	[88.9]
6. (6)	Supernatural (CW)	1.3/2	[85.0]

Fast Nationals usually provide a snapshot of what Americans are
watching by pulling numbers from the top urban markets that include
both live viewing and same-day timeshifted viewing. A rating point
generally represents more than 1.1 million households while the share
indicates the percentage of televisions turned on that was tuned to the
specific program. These numbers typically shift when final ratings are
issued.

---My own, personal, "Elliot with a pair of fluffy slippers and a remote for the TV" take: the episode last week, The Abducted, was more like the Fringe we came to know and love over the previous two years: full of action, smart problem solving, characters that made sense, little gratuitious angst (and what there was, was mitigated by that phone call!).
That ratings rebound blip was signalling a relief at the imminent return of Olivia to our own Team. I believe.
I think the alt-u thing damaged the ratings in a big way.

Totally agree with you Elliot. However, most diehard fans seemed to love the altuniverse. While, I think the initial love was there, they dragged out the alternating episodes for too long. Coupled with the break for the baseball and it was just too much away from what the show has been doing for the last two seasons. Even now, we have another break until the episode where Olivia returns. The biggest comment you see everywhere is, "I can't wait for Olivia to come home, so that we have the main three together again."

Personally, I just don't love the alternate universe like most fans. I like it in small doses and where you got tidbits here and there and it was still a mystery. However, for me there is just no mystery to it anymore. Plus , you have a whole set of new characters that they are asking me to care about, when they haven't fleshed out the majority of the ones we have been getting to know for the last two seasons. That's just me though, and I'm probably in the minority.

I'm all for moving the show forward and introducing new things and changing things up a little. However, big changes like they have done this season, I think has shown, was just too much. The damage is done now, and the show will be on Fridays, so hopefully viewers will follow the show. Otherwise, this season will be it.

The comments I see (except for the reviewers...... and a lot of them we now know are bribed by BR with guest shots!!)----are much like what you've said here just now. People want our three back, want the story to get moving, and don't find the alt-cast of thousands interesting.

And the viewers are what drive the Nielsens, not reviewers wearing lab coats for a day. I read somewhere last week that it seemed to them that Fringe's core viewers had reached their maximum, and this year was driving some of them away, instead of gaining new ones. It seemed to me all autumn that they were over-selling it out of panic... that air of oooops.

It was fun, last spring, when it was new and brief. The same reviewers who adore the alt-stuff also hated the first season, and most of season 2; pleasing them meant ticking off the core viewers. They also thought Fringe should =LOST since it was an Abrams thing, and panned it when it was a procedural, which it was doing better than any other show on TV, to me. I laugh when I see reviewers say hard-core viewers love the mythology best..this fiasco puts the lie to that. 'Auteur Syndrome' just about covers it.

I think BR can, and will, rescue things. The hiatus gives them time to re-edit, re-cut, re-shoot. I also think they will get a 4th season, for syndication ($$) purposes. I would love them to get back into the feel they had in S1 & S2--I watch those eps now, esp S1, and really miss that vibe--full of insane possibilities, not just darkness.