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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:29 pm

What about them?

-------no, it's not. His apartment is closer to the Chrysler building than MD's building is.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:37 pm

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I'm not an expert in US buildings, but..... are there several buildings of that type, or is Peter's apartment over there at the same place as Massive Dynamics here ?

Is what i meant O_o
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:38 pm

Lack of culture.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:42 pm

The prospect is the same...
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:38 pm

?"Lack of culture."?

The apparent size of the building is much larger in the view from the apartment vs the apparent size in the view out the MD windows. Hence, the apartment is much closer to the Chrysler building than the MD building is. (I feel like Peter with protractor and ruler smile )

It is also a bit to the side-----one could, with a map, triangulate back to where MD and the apartment likely are supposed to be, I suppose. But they are not in the same spot in either/both universes.

Real estate costs being what they are, it is interesting to note that the apartment would be in a much more expensive part of town, too. Bad Daddy is a very well paid member of his government, as witnessed also by the luxe furnishings of the apartment and his home, plus his access to foods the regular citizen hasn't access to. Graft and corruption come to mind here.

And in comparison I am liking Walter even more. grins

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:09 pm

Speaking of BadWalter, he has been affecting things from the beginning of the story, I think. He's the person behind the Pattern events over here, right? Pissed at us because Peter was taken, and sending shape shifters (for years and years), causing freaksome events while he figured out how to get to Peter.... even trying to kill Olivia when she was going to meet with Bell.

--> Does Peter have the ability to hold the gates open for Olivia, but doesn't know it yet? (Cause he can travel at least back in this direction without harm though others from over there cannot)
--> Is he the gate, itself, but doesn't know it? Walter calls him the key---says he has these incredible capabilities but doesn't disclose them. But evidently he knows what they are, or some of them are.
--BadDaddy knows at least some of Peter's abilities....
--> did BadDaddy genetically modify Peter? It might explain how he would not feel paternal love for him, as Walter does, because he'd not view himself as father but as owner...

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:01 pm

I was thinking about Peter's DNA, especially how he has this so ancient and special DNA. Did he inherit it? I don't know, because i think his genes are "pure". If he had inherited it through someone else, wouldn't be the same thing. Peter was originally only an embryo, kept like a fossil during all those years and found by nazis apart from the prophecy. Then Robert Bishoff, who worked for nazis, started to test this embryo, but was walternate that "created" Peter. He was born through vitro fertilization and maybe alt-elizabeth contributed to his birth. Here is also because Walternate doesn't actually see Peter like his son.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:30 pm

I think you are going a lot further with your ancient/nazi stuff than the writers have, so I will leave that part of the story until we see what they do with his origins.

"Genetically modified children" is something we see in the show in reference to the cortexiphan kids and in direct reference to Peter.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:33 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:52 pm

grins
How's your studying going? You have tests coming, right?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:55 pm

I do both things
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:13 pm

Maybe i found the yellow drink that walternate and peter drank: MEAD.



Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead

"The mead is the most ancient alcoholic drink produced by the man. Egyptians, Celti, Greek, Romans and German made use of it, as appreciated and refined drink of the symposium of the principles, and during the sacred ceremonies.In the Indo-European mythology it's the typical drink of immortality, in the Celtic world as in that Germanic, to be defined from these people "drink of Gods"".
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:19 pm

Oh yeah, I was looking for the french name.... "hydromel".
From latin "hydromeli" (water + honey).

You're right, it was considered as Gods' drink. In the comics Asterix, for example.

I remember drinking "Mjød" in Norway, and in Finland, something similar called "Sima".

edit : i really like the glass design, by the way.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:23 pm

Yeah! In italian is "idromele" smile
It's interesting, isn't it? A part from the meaning, it's yellow grins
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:26 pm

lezario wrote:

edit : i really like the glass design, by the way.

Glass design?
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:34 pm

I mean the... well, the drink glasses, I like their design.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:35 pm

lezario wrote:
I mean the... well, the drink glasses, I like their design.

Ok grins
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:37 pm

Speaking of ancient Greeks...

I came upon the Wiki article for horseradish. Here's what kind of struck me as interesting and actually relates to this thread:

"According to Greek mythology, the Delphic Oracle told Apollo that the horseradish was worth its weight in gold."

It was horseradish that Walter used in What Lies Below to find the cure for the virus and Peter. And another reference to Gold and even Greek mythology where the Atlantis story comes from!

If you remember, that virus was 75.000 years old and came from the subsoil like the beacon and probably the observers and underground kingdoms like Atlantis or Agharti.

Look at Apollo's character. There's something in common with Peter.
Here's a piece from Wiki page:

Apollo was one of the most important and diverse of the TWELVE Olympian deities (twelve... Cool ). He has been variously recognized as a god of light and the sun (when rebecca saw the glow around Peter's head in "momentum deferred" there was the sun behind him; or the sun that lighted up Peter's face while he was sleeping in "over there part 1" grins ); truth and prophecy; music... (peter plays piano and guitar grins )

Did you notice Alt-Elizabeth features? She looks like an ancient greek woman, especially in "over there" smile
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:42 pm

Ok, ehm....The writers said that this famous clue is also in the Pilot.
I don't know if it's true or what i discovered is related to this hidden clue, but i had an heart attack when i saw it. I really hope it isn't an optical illusion O_o

"Over There"


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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:58 pm

I don't think that's an "amber" -quarantine- zone. To me it is just sand/dirt place.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:09 pm

You have to look closely smile
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:48 pm

Still, to me it is more sand....



Wouldn't Fringe Division have heard about this if it was really a quarantined zone ?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:52 pm

I don't know, but that's a quarantined zone, i'm sure O__O
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:57 pm

They all came and went freely into Baghdad, unlike the people in the amber quarantine zones who you can see stopped like figurines. And the air there wasn't solid amber.

Nice imagination, though!

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:12 pm

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