2x22 "Over there - Part 2"

I'm thinking only 2 shows. I'm clinging to their preference to do Stand Alone episodes, and they can't do it with a spy in their midst.

Would it be fun to watch Alt-Olivia seduce Peter? I don't know!! "Our" Olivia certainly seems like it's going to take forever, she's a little on the shy side.

I can't imagine how they're going to locate Olivia.

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Would it be fun to watch Alt-Olivia seduce Peter? I don't know!!

Uh.......... she has a boyfriend back there, hasn't she.....

edit : And I loved "Red Lantern" comics on Peter's room...

No, it wouldn't be fun, it would be porn, and no thanks. Aimless sex (and its attendant angst) is not what Fringe needs.

I don't think for a minute Ella is Olivia's daughter, I just think BR might like to use the chance to drive home the message of what children are capable of doing/noticing before they become adults, which is a major theme of the show, with the child they already have on staff. And giving the cross to Ella could well have been for more than to show Olivia's fears of not getting the chance to say goodbye, and to show Rachel realizing this is a serious trip that had worried her.

I really hope they don't try to foist a big time jump on us, either, there is too much stuff that's new for us to process, seeing how Peter and Walter re-adjust, etc., and they're not that stupid not to notice for three months she's the wrong person.

She won't try to seduce him, but she can't avoid him, he will be suspicious.

Well, Peter will be suspicious during their first day of work.
She is a stranger. She doesn't know this universe. It's the same, but slightly different.
And she probably has habits, things that will make Peter know in a second.

i'm betting my Fringe Frog Glyph Socks on Peter finding out during the Season Premiere.

I tells ya, Gene will see right through her. And so will everyone else.

And I so want it to be in the season opener, so they can get on with it, and go get our girl back. And dispense with that infernal machine. I despise constantly impending doom.

I know they are spending the first 3-4 eps over there, but, geez, that will do for a while, ok? It's fun and novel and fashionable and all, to have another universe to go to, but if doing that becomes too common, it loses its luster.

lezario wrote:

i'm betting my Fringe Frog Glyph Socks on Peter finding out during the Season Premiere.

that's what Mr lunastelle thinks too... (he has just seen the double episode finale because he waited for French subtitles... ) not betting his socks of course ( and I'm sure you wouldn't want it), but for Peter finding out on the first episode... hope you're right...
even if it's true, that doesn't mean he will be able to rescue Olivia immediately

Lunastelle wrote:

even if it's true, that doesn't mean he will be able to rescue Olivia immediately

That's probably why they'll spend 3 or 4 episodes over there.

Kreisler wrote:

That's probably why they'll spend 3 or 4 episodes over there.

I think so...

That, and demolishing the Infernal Machine, and (Please Bob) stopping BadWalter's plans for Peter.

It would be fun if they could "return" Alt-Olivia (i don't know if it's the right word - "return" a spy ?) to strike Walternate.

Elliot wrote:

That, and demolishing the Infernal Machine, and (Please Bob) stopping BadWalter's plans for Peter.

ok that comforts me...
maybe Peter will rescue Olivia on the second episode and they will spend the other(s) for that...

I hope so! Though I am guessing find out and start the rescue in 3.01, finish rescue in 3.02. And then whatever more in 3.03, maybe 3.04.

>>> How many episodes has Nimoy appeared in, exactly?


And to prove that those lab notes, and the glyphs from the viral stuff, are still delivering hints and clues:

Kreisler wrote:

It would be fun if they could "return" Alt-Olivia (i don't know if it's the right word - "return" a spy ?) to strike Walternate.

Do you mean send one of our own? That would be grand, and scary. I keep thinking of Peter being a secret agent, pretending to go back, so he can do that. They have to give his Mama some closure. I just hope they don't jerk us around with will he-won't he stuff on Peter staying, painful fearful Walter and Olivia we don't need more of.

By "return", i meant "go over to the other side" like a spy. So she would be a double agent.

Elliot wrote:

Do you mean send one of our own? That would be grand, and scary. I keep thinking of Peter being a secret agent, pretending to go back, so he can do that. They have to give his Mama some closure. I just hope they don't jerk us around with will he-won't he stuff on Peter staying, painful fearful Walter and Olivia we don't need more of.

you have doubts on Peter? I'm not sure I understand...

No, no I do not have doubts about Peter.

I think he may volunteer to go as though he had doubts, so he could be a double agent (as his grandfather was in World War Two, in Nazi Germany). He's the most likely candidate.

Kreisler, I wasn't sure about the word 'return' as maybe you meant send Peter or someone directly, or maybe you meant exchange someone as a hostage.

oh ok, sorry... I'm slow to understand... maybe because it's 1:40am here...
yes you're right, he would be a good candidate but in the other hand, he must not be taken, no ? because I'm sure they would not ask him his opinion (not sure about this expression...) to attach him to the device... don't you think ?

I agree completely! But of course that means he will go, and probably volunteer to be a double agent (wouldn't I love to know what else he and Broyles had talked about when he demanded that stuff from the FBI!!).

He is like his father, and will do anything for those he loves. (His true father, Walter.)

Maybe our team could convince Alt-Olivia (once she'll be unmask) to work with Peter against Walternate, insofar as his vengeance could endanger the alter-universe too. Alt-Olivia and Peter as double agent.

I'm sure he will... and maybe alt Olivia will help him ? (am I naive to think she's not so bad that she looks like?) I want to believe that Rachel and Ella will touch her...

Elliot wrote:

He is like his father, and will do anything for those he loves. (His true father, Walter.)

and I agree, for both !

Kreisler wrote:

Maybe our team could convince Alt-Olivia (once she'll be unmask) to work with Peter against Walternate, insofar as his vengeance could endanger the alter-universe too. Alt-Olivia and Peter as double agent.

les grands esprits...
we're are connected !

If this is posted here elsewhere, I apologize, but here's the easter egg of the text on the chalkboard in the lab in abandoned Harvard where Walter and Bell go to build a doorstop:


Anagrammed, it seems to read "don't trust Sam Weiss".


Kreisler, while I'd like her to switch loyalties, I'd never trust her, and I really do not want her and Peter working together. It gets too close to the smarmy (do you know that word?) way Alias treated characters, as though they were fungible (as in the suggestion on other forums if Peter kissed AltLivia that would make the benchies happy--but it would only enrage us).

What would be more fun for me would be to see LivingCharlie join our side, so it would be like old times, and he and Liv, and he and Peter, when they were working cases together, could tell him about First Charlie. Maybe Living Charlie could retire here.

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Anagrammed, it seems to read "don't trust Sam Weiss".

Not my "Yoda", Sam!

I don't know "smarmy"

it seems Kreisler is gone to bed...

and yes, I think I'd rather see alt Charlie join our team...

oh yes I saw it, but I didn't know it was an anagram...

well, I think I'm gonna go too...
bye

Cathy I thought immediately of you! Now, maybe that means over there aren't to trust him, or maybe it means the SShifters get to him? Aiiieee I wouldn't want that. I don't want either, I hate that sort of 'can't trust the person you did trust' stuff, I am OVER it. And while I didn't/don't like his character all that well, I never thought he was wicked.

Oooooh. I've seen some discussion over whether he is a figment of Olivia's imagination, or an implant or post hypnotic suggestion, so maybe the one not to be trusted is one that appears when Olivia is entrapped by BadWalter? But she didn't see the chalkboard, so the warning is to us.....

pfui.