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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 3:49 pm

TRANS-DIMENSIONAL PARAMILITARY!

There's a real special forces unit designed by the alternate universe to handle the impending conflict between worlds. What if Peter was the most powerful soldier of the AU? The leader of these special armed force?
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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 4:25 pm

And the FF logo !

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 7:17 pm

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Elliot, i don't think that's "religious", rather magical (don't confuse, it could be hurtful)... It's more pseudo-mystical folklore, like all the Dan Brown and alii stuff. And in view of the success of that thematic in the business recently, i wouldn't be surprise if they exploit the seam. But i hope i'm wrong and that they'll avoid that easy way...
Hurtful? No, I don't mean to be. I'm from a Christian family full of scientifically & literarily trained people. While I am no Agent Jessup, I find such things a misuse of religion. And I don't believe in magic so I don't think it needs defending.

I object to dumbing down Fringe with woo and making Peter (or Olivia) less than human. Fringe has been fiction grounded in science, the far out stuff in the realm of science possible. One of the really satisfying parts of Fringe has been the depiction of brilliant people as normal humans, not hopeless geeks nor remote heroes with fantastical powers. This is why I hated 'Ability'.

Yes, I know I have listed several alchemical symbol references, and the transmigration of souls stuff is there in my posts on the DRJ test boxes, but I was really hoping it was being used as metaphor.
Using references to Greek mythology or alchemy as literary themes in Fringe? Great! Introducing the idea of Peter as a mystical being, object of prophecy? Puh-leeeeze. While I have had quibbles with things on Fringe, I have not felt like I would lose brain cells watching it, and I don't want to start now.

It does makes superhearing less funny, they will have to come up with something more ludicrous for Olivia if she's going to keep up.

My hope is that this is someone on the Other Side's delusions, or maybe that is perhaps what happened to them over there (science got mutilated with woo) and their FD/ZFT believe this, and that Our Side is going to still function rationally, leaving Peter as a true human, wherever he hails from. Same as for Olivia.
I could totally go for a war started in error over a religious/cultural misunderstanding (umm sounds rather familiar come to think of it).

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 7:44 pm

I think Peter face being drawn in the book was referred in Brown Betty.
Walter has drawn before, in Unleashed, in Brown Betty.... I don't think they believe Peter's an object, whose destiny was written on the page 23 of an old manuscrit, BUT yes, ZFT might have interpreted it this way.

Peter's line "Maybe that's because I'm not on track with my own destiny" sounded ironic. From the writers I mean. I don't think they want to go down that road. They want to get rid of all the Lost/Alias connections there could be.

What I'm waiting for is the explaination of what was "The Blight" : was it what happened after the door closed, or is it something else..... Observers ?

Do you think those bald men could be experimenting on our universe ? Trying to see what it would do if two worlds collided ?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 7:55 pm

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I think Peter face being drawn in the book was referred in Brown Betty. Oooo when? What exactly?
Walter has drawn before, in Unleashed, in Brown Betty.... I don't think they believe Peter's an object, whose destiny was written on the page 23 of an old manuscrit, BUT yes, ZFT might have interpreted it this way.
*hugs Lez*
Peter's line "Maybe that's because I'm not on track with my own destiny" sounded ironic. From the writers I mean. I don't think they want to go down that road. They want to get rid of all the Lost/Alias connections there could be.
*hugs Lez again*
What I'm waiting for is the explaination of what was "The Blight" : was it what happened after the door closed, or is it something else..... Observers ?
-----------------was there a spreading loss of life from Reiden Lake like the balloon field?
Do you think those bald men could be experimenting on our universe ? Trying to see what it would do if two worlds collided ?

ooooh I hope not! They seemed (September anyway) to be trying to prevent that, to work towards stability.
Rogue, now, he might have that as his agenda.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 8:09 pm

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I think Peter face being drawn in the book was referred in Brown Betty. Oooo when? What exactly?

No, sorry, not exactly "referred", but.. we've seen Walter's -or Bell's ?- drawings before, in the lab, like the monsters in Unleashed, or all the things Walter invented in Brown Betty.... we know pretty much all the story was based on reality, so... the book in BB was maybe based on that drawing.

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-----------------was there a spreading loss of life from Reiden Lake like the balloon field?

Yes, interesting theory.

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ooooh I hope not! They seemed (September anyway) to be trying to prevent that, to work towards stability.
Rogue, now, he might have that as his agenda.

Yes, when I say "Observers", I'm talking about their "species". Rogue, I'm sure, is some kind of Observer, just a bad one.

I just thought about something...... what if Bell wanted Peter's heart/blood/talent ? We knew he needed oxygen, and he seemed to be dying...

And we know Nimoy will retire, so Bell is certainly going to die...

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 8:18 pm

I cut this line out of my earlier rant about woo and alchemy:

if that really is the ladder of transmigration on Dr. Paris' sleeve in Grey Matters, does that mean he will try to use Peter to make himself immortal?

I was really joking earlier about Beltane and Peter as maypole, but maybe Bell really went nuts and wants to use the blood of the key.

........ Bell, quit watching Buffy! Peter is NOT Dawn!

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 8:22 pm

Yes, quit watching Buffy. Peter's glow's not green, it's WHITE.

So we have four Cortexiphan children, Olivia, Nick, one of the spontaneous combustion twin, but who's the fourth guy ?

Cancer guy is probably dead, or ... Meegar ? (No.... not him) Or someone we don't know yet ?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 8:28 pm

It's that Cancer guy, the credits list him.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 8:30 pm

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Yes, quit watching Buffy. Peter's glow's not green, it's WHITE.

So we have four Cortexiphan children, Olivia, Nick, one of the spontaneous combustion twin, but who's the fourth guy ?

Cancer guy is probably dead, or ... Meegar ? (No.... not him) Or someone we don't know yet ?

Yes, the fourth guy is the same with cancer. In the last scene of "Olvia in tha lab...." we saw him ,unconscious, into an MD lab. But he wasn't dead smile
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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 8:31 pm

I hope he's using gloves.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 8:35 pm

My thought exactly! And that they have loaded up Nick the coward with Haldol and Lithium or whatever to bring him on an even keel.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 8:46 pm

I like Nick ! It's nice to him and the girl again.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Fri May 07, 2010 9:55 pm

I don't like him; he knew he was killing people, and he did not stop himself. He exposed others to his sickness and let himself kill them.

I am surprised the writers let his story develop that way, if they wanted to make him sympathetic. Better he should have killed himself. As he is, he's psychopathic.

And poor crop as a soldier, if he cannot protect others first. We put down dogs that kill chickens here for that exact reason.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 6:35 am

Finally a promo with a better quality! smile

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 7:16 am

Oh god....The writings that surround Peter's portrait are really DNA sequences!
I have captured that image from the video that I have posted, because the quality is better.

You can see letters like A-T-G-C.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleic_acid_sequence

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 10:02 am

DNA or not, this drawing simply freaks me out Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 10:06 am

It's true!
I'd like to understand the drowing on the top of the page scratch
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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 10:46 am

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DNA or not, this drawing simply freaks me out Neutral

Sure it is DNA. And it freaks me out too !!

And about the promo...
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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 1:43 pm

Ah, you meant around Peter's head ? i thought you were talking about the drawing itself containing the DNA sequence...

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 2:28 pm

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Ah, you meant around Peter's head ? i thought you were talking about the drawing itself containing the DNA sequence...

Yes, the DNA sequence around Peter's head
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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 3:47 pm

well then yes, it is DNA... reminds me of my biology class...

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 5:26 pm

OK. A sequence may or may not be Peter's. And even if it is his, what meaning it has we will have to wait for Thursday to find out........ but if they have our boy hooked up to medical equipment and are extracting his DNA, he is going to have an easy time making his decision to come home. And (not just because the show was renewed) Olivia and Walter and Broyles and Astrid will not let him be kept over there indefinitely.......... but it is hard to wait.

Though, the embarrassment level is getting higher with each clearer screen shot.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 5:33 pm

It would be cool if Walternate awakened Peter's abilities somehow grins
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PostSubject: Re: 2x21 "Over there Part 1" - Spoilers   Mon May 10, 2010 5:43 pm

In an effort to try to understand what they may be intending to do with Peter while they have him.. here is the list of the glyph-words since the beginning of the show:

Episode 01: OBSERVER
Episode 02: CHILD
Episode 03: AEGER [Latin for "sick"]
Episode 04: ROGUE
Episode 05: SURGG[Latin for "arise" "to get up"]
Episode 06:CELLS
Episode 07:CODES
Episode 08:TAKEN
Episode 09:VOICE
Episode 10:TRADE
Episode 11:SAVED
Episode 12:BISHOP
Episode 13:AVIAN
Episode 14:OLIVIA
Episode 15:WALTER
Episode 16:PETER
Episode 17:BELLY
Episode 18:EIGHT
Episode 19:VISION
Episode 20:GRAVE

Season Two
Episode 01:TOWER
Episode 02:MIRROR
Episode 03:BURIAL
Episode 04:MEMORY
Episode 05:BETRAY
Episode 06:DEJA VU
Episode 07:ARRIVE
Episode 08:BLIGHT
Episode 09:HIDDEN
Episode 10:PORTAL
Episode 11:AVENGE
Episode 12:MUTATE
Episode 13:WINDOW
Episode 14:FATHER
Episode 15:REVEAL
Episode 16:PETERS
Episode 17:ENERGY
Episode 18:SECRET
Episode 19:BRIDGE
Episode 20:HEART
Episode 21:RETURN
Episode 22: ??home?? (my guess...)

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