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 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon May 31, 2010 6:59 pm

Not if there's any justice in the world. We're just spitballing on what significance if any there is beyond the 'cool factor' of the comic covers. I'm voting against the superhero thing even while I am acknowledging they are at least nodding to it.

My brain is going to be mush until well into the next season, I suppose.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon May 31, 2010 7:02 pm

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Although i hope the writers don't go in that direction.

They won't.

You're right, I'm wrong, end of story.

next time i'll just keep the comics thing to myself, and the DC guys.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon May 31, 2010 7:10 pm

I'm sorry you feel that way, I thought we were discussing what might or might not be, I'm not sure I'm right any more than anyone else is sure they are, we have a long time to find out what any of that means.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon May 31, 2010 7:14 pm

Lezario, i'm sorry. I didn't intend to offend you :(
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:16 am

Another clue that could tie Peter to the Observers or the First Peolpe: the yellow!

Everyone remembers the primary colors; red, blue, and yellow. RED represents something in the Alternate Universe, correct? And BLUE represents our universe. And what if YELLOW represents another universe? Or another league of people such as Cortextiphan kids? The opening credits for The Alternate Universe says “First People” instead of “Parallel Universes”, and Walter (about Cortextiphan kids) said at one point, ” Everyone once had these certain abilities. Somehow, we lost those in early development.” In addition to this, the yellow could also refer to the Observers… Especially since the colors were so prominently displayed on one of the walls in Walternate’s office/meeting area/whatever.
At one point, Altivia was in front of blue (to indicate her later switch?)and Lincoln was in front of red (to indicate he’s a new character, to us, from the alt-world?).
Later, Walternate was in front of red (naturally), and in another point, Peter was in front of yellow!
So, the First People could be the source for cortexiphan and the yellow probably has to do with them. We saw the yellow street on the wall in Olivia’s school in Jacksonville…The street that would leads the cortexi-kids to the origin of their abilities. We saw a similar thing also on Peter’s GPS displaying YELLOWSTONE ROAD in “Northwest Passage”, but in his case the yellow could directly tie him to the First People and probably the Observers
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:23 am

Peter sort of belong to two worlds.

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Peter’s GPS displaying YELLOWSTONE ROAD in “Northwest Passage”

This, to me, was more referring to the "Wizard of Oz", as was the Jacksonville painted wall.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:23 pm

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Peter sort of belong to two worlds.

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Peter’s GPS displaying YELLOWSTONE ROAD in “Northwest Passage”

This, to me, was more referring to the "Wizard of Oz", as was the Jacksonville painted wall.
That was my impression of it, with all the other references like tin man and so on through the season.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:31 pm

yes, Operation Tin Man in Fracture, the "Oz" graph in Snakehead, didn't someone mentionned a lion somewhere ???

i think I did mention the lion, but I can't remember in which episode.... scratch

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:44 pm

Johari Window?
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:56 pm

And the lions Walter mentions in Unleashed.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:59 pm

In "Snakehead" too, right?
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:14 pm

I need to rewatch the episodes.....

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:40 pm

Look at this scene...There's Peter's reflection on one of the comics exposed.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:27 pm

Indeed ! And there's another (I think I posted it earlier in the thread) when he's looking out the window.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:35 pm

Really? Where?
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:54 pm

Er, wait, I still have it on my computer.

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helicopter

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:03 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:19 pm

I find it nice to have "light" reflection, not really "obvious".

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:21 pm

Indeed! And the reflection is green and red! (the pic with peter in the elicopter)
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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:36 pm

So, I have some questions about the end of the episode.

1) When Peter tells Walter "I'm trying to see it your way, but I can't", what does he mean? Did Walter finally get to tell him his story, in the car home from the theater they reappeared in? Is it the not-returning thing he doesn't agree with? Even though the Observers told Walter Peter could never go back?

2) OK, it wasn't really Olivia in the car going home, but----after that revelation and that kiss, there would normally have been some glances and touches... NOTOlivia might have sat in the front with Broyles, but there still would have been looks in the mirror, etc. She doesn't know about the kiss, though she may assume that Olivia and Peter are already lovers...??? I am wondering I guess if Peter won't find out IMMEDIATELY that it's not his Olivia. How she could have fooled him even at the theater.

3) How does that machine know where to take them? I know it's all fiction, but--do they all just think "HOME!" and click their heels together and end up in the right place?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:48 pm

Oh god.....Do you remember when Peter was recording how to work the machine? I have the feeling that he didn't stop the recording when Olivia and Charlie arrived to his apartment. So, Alt-livia and Walternate maybe have listened the conversation between Peter and Olivia, that Peter discovered Walternate's plans and Olivia loves him. I also noted that Peter was using a webcam while he was analysing the device, so Walternate could have seen that Peter has been able to activate it!



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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:52 pm

2) He won't push her, so I guess she will go home, just say goodnight, and after a couple of day, when he will finally asks her if she just kissed him -rhetorical question, he knows she likes him- to bring him back, she will hesitate and he will see it.

Added to the other details he will have noticed -but didn't insits because he thought it was just because he was tired- he'll figure it out.

Plus Rachel and Ella who will tell him this is not their sister/aunt...

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:55 pm

Yes, indeed, we didn't actually see him stopping it. HMmmmm.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:02 pm

Oh ick you are right, we did not see him turn it off. Ugh.

I thought at the time that Olivia should not have let NotOlivia see what she did, impersonating her--she should have knocked her out cold, blindfolded her, and stuck her in a closet, and cleaned up the sink-------- Peter would have known to tell her this!!
---------and that they should have bound up Charlie--------really, it would have been best for getting away to kill them, but that's not how Olivia behaves, and it would have not allowed the whole infuriating substitution of NotOlivia for Olivia. Still.

-----> Is the other typewriter in BadWalter's office?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x22 "Over there - Part 2"   Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:07 pm

Elliot wrote:

-----> Is the other typewriter in BadWalter's office?

I didn't see it O_o
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