A THRILLING NEW CHAPTER BEGINS ON THE SEASON PREMIERE OF “FRINGE” THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, ON FOX
After the extraordinary turn of events that shockingly left an imprisoned Olivia “over there,” she fights to find her way home. Meanwhile, Peter and Walter try to move on with their lives unknowingly alongside alternate Olivia in the “Olivia” season premiere episode of FRINGE airing Thursday, Sept. 23 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.
Cast : Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth
Guest Cast : Andre Royo as Henry; Amy Madigan as Marilyn
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This episode was a roller coaster. I went from cheering to screaming to near tears to anger and frustration.
Olivia's escape was great, and how she handled herself through the whole thing was brilliant. Yeah, she broke down a few times, but who wouldn't?
The fact that Walternate effectively brainwashed her really upset me. Right now, it's like our Olivia is gone and now we have two AltLiv's. I would love to get my hands on him right now, if I could. I have faith that our Olivia is still there, though. She's stubborn and determined, and I know that she'll fight against AltLiv's memories until she beats them and is herself again.
Now, Peter and AltLiv. I'm angry at the fact that he hasn't seen through her yet. It's been a decent amount of time now, so any slip ups that she might have made are long past. I still think she'll be revealed somehow, but I'm not sure how.
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It's BR I'd like to get my hands on... it's grotesque what they've done to Olivia. Plus, bonus, boring that this is what they can think of to do with her--inject her and give her someone else's memories. First John, now FakeOlivia. Sad and creepy.
Don't Pinkner and Wyman like women? I mean, as real human beings? The women in Fringe always play out the consequences of someone else's choices. And Peter and FakeOlivia... sad and nauseating. I stopped watching it. If by "Fringe fans will be divided" Josh meant some of us stop watching the program, he's right.
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I did a lot of theatre in high school, college, and dinner theater, but my alto-voice vocal cords couldn't sing for long periods of time without becoming hoarse. In high school they'd give me a juicy part, then rewrite little sections so a music/choir person could do the song.
Man, I thought the thread would be on fire today. But frankly I'm glad it's not spitting declarations of vitriol and outrage. Trust me, at the end I was going, "Seriously? It's not bad enough the Olivia fans have to deal with Peter boinking AltOlivia, you're going to erase the memory of our Olivia???"
I was sad that the only Walters were Dictator Mr. Secretary, and "our" Walter was having one of his more childish days taking apart Oreos on the sidewalk.
Elliot, love your new avi/banner. I'm so used to you being in Peter's camp, but, *cough*, I guess I don't want to get too much into his behavior right now. But, he really doesn't know it's AltOlivia. It would be nice if he could see the little auras (like the beginning credits! ).
My hope that when Peter kissed AltOlivia he would notice she didn't kiss the same was futile. Don't you think AltOlivia would be more, um, assertive like she was with her boyfriend? I suppose she may be working more to impersonate our Olivia.
*shakes head* Bad Robot, what you doin'???? Just trying to piss off the female fan base and give the shippers apoplexy? "Oh, yeah, we're going to do some Shipping, it's going to be the hookups that will make you as mad as possible.
Ignoring the irritants, it's so nice to see Amy Madigan as AltOlivia's mother, unaware of the deception and a powerful enticement for Olivia to accept her new identity.
IMDB did a curious thing, it's not listing her character name. Should I take that as a hint about yet another mystery? The IMDB crowd loved the episode, giving it 9.5 out of 10. Well, that's nice! I need to look up Ken Tucker's review.
Love him or hate him, Seth Gebel's Lincoln Lee is very interesting. I assume their medical technology will return him to his former good looking self even though they performed a miracle bringing him back from crispy-critterdom.
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I couldn't help it, I needed some comfort and hoped the next week's synopsis at IMDB would help. Nina will be back, and we're supposed to find out "some key information" at the will reading for Wm Bell.
So, this wasn't as dynamic an opener as last year with Olivia flying through the windshield. I guess they did a tradeoff to generate as much anxiety as possible.
At least the show's back! *waves a limp flag, purses lips over my poor Olivia*
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I have buckets of vitriol, so much so I am afraid to scare away our silent members here who lurk but never speak.
And I have a horrid suspicion of what they will do about Olivia's true mother, and if they do what I think they are going to, the hypocrisy will be breathtaking.
Plus, the reference to 'My Fair Lady' is pretty skeevy. (It's the cab driver, ladies: Henry Higgins.) "Oh how cute the destruction of the girl's identity" NOT.
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I cannot decide if this is BR reverting to JJ Abrams' habit of screwing over viewers (Francie and Will), to tease us with P/O from the beginning and then give us a porno version instead, or if the writers hate Olivia so much they want to destroy her both emotionally (by Peter betraying her and abandoning her for a "hotter version" of her) and actually---by taking away her personhood, and substituting a racier version of her. Erasing Olivia.
They had better let Olivia come back to her senses------her own senses. The only way they can save this for me now, is to do that, and not only NOT have Peter boinking FakeOlivia, but horrendously creeped out and sorry that he was fooled, and desperate to have the real Olivia back.
The Peter Bishop of most of the first two seasons would be; that was why he was my favorite character--cared for people he didn't even know, was frantic to save Olivia before, resolute in caring for her and Walter. Now he's a petulant weasel. Gorgeous is not enough.
You'll notice that Olivia gets imprisoned, bound, injected, dominated, made to do and be whatever the men do to her. They're downgrading everything Olivia had or was--her integrity, her inner strength, her personhood; even her sharpshooter skills aren't as good as the substitute's. It's a one-person Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
The men on the other hand get to be "charming rogue", "witty mad professor", Secretary of Defense...we're meant to feel sorry for the snotty self absorbed criminal mastermind, the (penitent now) child abuser, and the vengeful powermad head of state. And we're meant to like the woman who would betray Frank for a roll in the hay with a guy she's not in love with, stealing him from a woman she should feel compassion for. Peter may be a fool, but FakeOlivia is a vicious slut. My liking for Anna's acting doesn't require me to like FakeOlivia.
BR is touting this season as a discussion of identity and choice, but so far it is a 'cheap thrill for the s&m crowd' story.
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*stuffing the large entry back into the itty bitty spoiler tag*
You've given me a lot to think about. I'll have to say that I believe they (the writers) love Olivia, that it's her show. I know, I think I've had this conversation a few times before. Damsel in distress. I.......I've only watched it once.
I was pretty mouth dropped a couple of times when I thought I was watching one Olivia when I was watching the other one.
Amy Madigan as ( ), whatever she is, the scene where Olivia sees her, remembers an AltOlivia memory, that was very touching. She's an agent, she works in law enforcement, she's going to get into danger, maybe danger a lot. IMDB, leaving Amy Madigan's character blank, that was a bit fun, and a bit funny, like they're in on the tease.
I'm usually put out by Peter, or I have been since they got back from the Christmas break the first year, but I can't put this one on him. He really believes he's with Olivia. Their chemistry is still, mmmmm, okay, but I do not blame him for anything he does with AltOlivia.
I think Anna Torv did a pretty good job differentiating between the two Olivias without it looking too broad. AltOlivia is a little more direct, a little more snarky, she doesn't have the (perhaps too sensitive) look in her eye Olivia does, but that sensitivity is something I like, the small amount of shyness that AltOlivia doesn't have any use for. Or that's my interpretation.
On the positive side, Elliot, that's very considerate of you unleashing some of your angrier opinion in the 'spoiler'. The show can't feel that negative towards her character. What would be really cool is a female production person answering your opinion. I haven's studied the producers enough to know if there are any in the creative team. If not, you might have a legitimate gripe. See, I never even 'got' the show "Alias". Although I love Jennifer Garner to pieces, the sex kitten voice with the spy occupation left me unmoved. But I don't think I was the target audience for "Alias". I DO think I'm the target audience for "Fringe", or at least the fanbase for Olivia-well, maybe a little younger target audience, but that's not the point.
Maybe the key is in Secretary Bishop. I'll have to go back and study him a little more. John Noble's face comes on, I mentally wave, "Welcome back", but it's Walternate, who nobody really cares for. But, he's 'saving the world' in true Fox News style, spelling out the necessary loss of liberties to keep his universe safe. Another comparison to loss of freedom vs. loss of Way of Life.
It was surprising how far the cabbie was willing to go to help Olivia. Saw the show only once, I'll have to rewatch for Henry Higgins, which is a WHOLE other can of feminist worms,
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Subject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:17 am
Cathy904 wrote:
*stuffing the large entry back into the itty bitty spoiler tag*
You've given me a lot to think about. I'll have to say that I believe they (the writers) love Olivia, that it's her show. I know, I think I've had this conversation a few times before. Damsel in distress. I.......I've only watched it once.
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----------well, they say it's the three of them, not just her. Said it again just this fall. The "her show" thing came from John Noble, being gracious when he started getting all the accolades for the entire acting crew. Even John now says it's the three of them rotating, one has the bully pulpit for a while, then the next. -----Still, it feels like they are misusing her in this storyline. If turning her into someone else is what they have to do to get her more storyline, I protest.
I was pretty mouth dropped a couple of times when I thought I was watching one Olivia when I was watching the other one.
Amy Madigan as ( ), whatever she is, the scene where Olivia sees her, remembers an AltOlivia memory, that was very touching. She's an agent, she works in law enforcement, she's going to get into danger, maybe danger a lot. IMDB, leaving Amy Madigan's character blank, that was a bit fun, and a bit funny, like they're in on the tease.
I'm usually put out by Peter, or I have been since they got back from the Christmas break the first year, but I can't put this one on him. He really believes he's with Olivia. Their chemistry is still, mmmmm, okay, but I do not blame him for anything he does with AltOlivia.
I don't yet...if he knows and does nothing.......... well, you haven't read the interviews with Josh I did. I am usually the most urgent defender of the Peter Bishop character, but ......... well, Josh often talks out his... armpit.
I think Anna Torv did a pretty good job differentiating between the two Olivias without it looking too broad. AltOlivia is a little more direct, a little more snarky, she doesn't have the (perhaps too sensitive) look in her eye Olivia does, but that sensitivity is something I like, the small amount of shyness that AltOlivia doesn't have any use for. Or that's my interpretation. Me too. I like her! I love that she is caring and straight arrow and shy and concerned to do the right thing. And it kills me that their version of "self actualization" as they call it, for her, means someone else making her once again into a tool for their use. And her becoming someone else.
On the positive side, Elliot, that's very considerate of you unleashing some of your angrier opinion in the 'spoiler'. The show can't feel that negative towards her character. What would be really cool is a female production person answering your opinion. I haven's studied the producers enough to know if there are any in the creative team. If not, you might have a legitimate gripe. See, I never even 'got' the show "Alias". Although I love Jennifer Garner to pieces, the sex kitten voice with the spy occupation left me unmoved. But I don't think I was the target audience for "Alias". I DO think I'm the target audience for "Fringe", or at least the fanbase for Olivia-well, maybe a little younger target audience, but that's not the point.
There aren't any. There are finally some female writers now; a pair are credited with the script for 3.09. I'll be interested to see what they do with it.
I would adore to have production have an honest conversation about this, but I am not holding my breath. And a spiel from a token woman staffer wouldn't cut it.
And ditto on the sexy spy thing. Which is basically what FakeOlivia is. Gag me. No wait, that's what they do to Olivia.
And I would not care so much if the target audience wasn't supposedly for people ready to have a woman protagonist, a "kickass" heroine. They had one in real Olivia, and they are zooming back to the 1960's by making her weak and the unscrupulous FakeOlivia stronger. Saint or bitch, the ancient false duality... it reminds me of Strindberg's "Miss Julie", with FakeOlivia as Jean and Olivia as Julie.
Maybe the key is in Secretary Bishop. I'll have to go back and study him a little more. John Noble's face comes on, I mentally wave, "Welcome back", but it's Walternate, who nobody really cares for. But, he's 'saving the world' in true Fox News style, spelling out the necessary loss of liberties to keep his universe safe. Another comparison to loss of freedom vs. loss of Way of Life.
And with as much integrity. If you're willing to give up liberty for the illusion of freedom....Notice he's hiding even from his subordinates what he's up to; & that he lied to Peter, was willing to destroy him in order to destroy this universe. That's not what a just warrior does. Maybe he's crazy too; it's the only defense I would accept.
It was surprising how far the cabbie was willing to go to help Olivia. Saw the show only once, I'll have to rewatch for Henry Higgins, which is a WHOLE other can of feminist worms, Henry will help her get home. Which is cool, good that she will have an ally. Yet weird to have the one person there who belives in her named after Higgins.
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Subject: Re: 3x01 "Olivia" - Episode Discussions Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:07 am
I added a poll, totally forgot about it.
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1. I love Bubbles Henry. He's going to help Ourlivia. 2. Loved the scene where she goes in the bathroom and cries. 3. It was weird to see that amber thing.... 4. Brandon.... AH, Brandon. I like our version, but him... 5. Olivia's mom.... died when Olive was fourteen.... nice to finally learn that. 6. I'm going to hug and kiss the guy who said/wrote that "Olivia's mom was supposed to be in France". 7. Lincoln.... creepy face. And I love his Fringe Division shirt. 8. The injections, the memories, the tattoo.... FRANK --- I was wondering earlier this summer if Frank would be here.... and he is. We have AO/P here and O/F there. *hisses* --- all of these.... poor Olivia. 9. Walter and his shoes... had to watch it three times to understand that scene. But Walter is going to suspect her soon. 10. "Why did you come back ?" Although the answer was obvious and nice, he still kissed "her" at the end.
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The entire episode felt like........... a joke.
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I was mystified by IMDB's 9.5 ranking out of 10 for "Olivia", they're usually so critical.
I still haven't watched it a second time. Chuck hasn't seen it yet, so I'll have his first impressions to help.
I need to check out a couple of other reviews, too, I'm hoping Matt Roush with TV guide wrote something. I regularly disagreed with his assessment of "Moonlight", but I respected his opinion anyway.
And if you've already posted some professional reviews, Lez, I'll check 'em out. I still love these new colors, easy on the eyes (my middle ages eyes at any rate). Wouldn't it be nice if Sam Weiss popped in to visit Olivia with a board game......
Thanks for adding the poll, I'm going to do the 2nd view 1st.
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It did feel like a joke. After the powerful, energized premiere last fall, where they were launched into new investigations and new directions, this felt predictable and tired.
Yah, yah, girl in trouble, been there, family unaware, done that (where's Lassie when you need her?)--then the body snatcher "twist"--are we going to be forced to watch a bunch of remakes of "The Invaders" through episode 8, is that it? Dudes, we have IMDB, you can't hide. Just cause it isn't X-files doesn't mean we don't recognize retreads.
The smirking setup for Peter to f*** the wrong Olivia..... I am ashamed of Pinkner and Wyman and Orci. Ashamed. And I used to adore them.
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and they don't figure out it's the wrong woman, who had never met any of them? How stupid do BR think Peter and Walter and Broyles and Astrid are?
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Maybe I'm going to translate the lyrics for non speakers.
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Les feuilles mortes (Dead leaves)
"Mais la vie sépare ceux qui s'aiment, Tout doucement, sans faire de bruit Et la mer efface sur le sable Les pas des amants désunis"
"But life tears apart those who are in love, Very slowly, without making noise And the sea erases on the sand The footprints of the separated lovers"
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If it's any consolation, that is not the words we use in English, at all. It's poignant, but not killer depressing, in English.
We call it
Autumn Leaves (words and music by Johnny Mercer and Joseph Kosma)
The falling leaves drift by the window The autumn leaves of red and gold.... I see your lips, the summer kisses The sunburned hands, I used to hold Since you went away, the days grow long And soon I'll hear ol' winter's song. But I miss you most of all my darling, When autumn leaves start to fall.Since you went away, the days grow long And soon I'll hear ol' winter's song. But I miss you most of all my darling, When autumn leaves start to fall. ---Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra do a couple of nice versions.
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Yes, in French the words are "chiller". There is no sentimentalism, all the emotion come from the bareness of the situation. The words are very simple and all more impressive.
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Because I grew up hearing this version... learned to play the piano version to the sheet music to this, that is what is in my head when I hear it from the first two notes. And because this episode is so very bleak, I'm going to hang on to the sweeter version...
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