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How would you rate Jacksonville ?
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:24 am

It was misspelled! Only one T. The combination is the next episode date, of course... wonder if they will try to make it more than that?

This was a wonderful ep, wasn't it? And-----------I loved Olivia for finally telling Walter off. "What the hell is wrong with you!!" That's my girl! She called him out for the abuse. About time.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:29 am

The "Manhatten" debate was fast and furious on Twitter. I was too busy to check, it's like a slot machine, Twitter. You don't want to leave!
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:35 am

I think Josh had 7 lines this episode. He spent a lot of time standing around. And seriously - this was an issue back with Walter's "ex" too - I just cannot understand why Walter would do all this stuff to activate the "seeing other people" thingie with PETER standing RIGHT THERE. And I perfer the halo effect, and not the blurry one we got. That's got to get annoying for Olivia to see all the time.

This show takes HELLALONG to set up stuff. Half the scenes could really have been condensed better, if not completely eliminated. I do think this episode may bolster the theory that it was Peter 2.0 who was supposed to die, otherwise I wonder who got sucked back to the other universe when he was taken? Bell's mass at the time would have been too much.

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The "Manhatten" debate was fast and furious on Twitter. I was too busy to check, it's like a slot machine, Twitter. You don't want to leave!
Yeah, I saw they didn't fix it from the rough cut.
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:49 am

Could be that's how it's spelled over there. This was an excellent, excellent episode for the whole set of characters...loved Astrid saying she just could not do that autopsy, and Walter understanding. Cathy, I'm looking for you girl on twitter, where are you?

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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:53 am

All I did was type in "Fringe", and I'm in this place that has had 90 entries in the 10 minutes I've been here.

So, anybody up for posting a number? From 1 to 10? Yep, I have lots of thoughts on the matter but I'm running on fumes and speaking in phrases on that young person fangled Twitter.

I'll check for you Elliot, 94 entries now, I don't know how to navigate there yet,
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:57 am

It was a 10 for me. You can tell by the funny glow around me I think. It wasn't quite the kiss by my birthday, but close enough until April, I guess. Plus some awesomely weird Walter stuff and Nina stuff -------and Peter's Mom--- to think over.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:58 am

http://twitter.com/#search?q=fringe

Elliot, as of 1am Central. 'come on down!'

Oh yeah, I just need to see it again with a full night's sleep. It felt more like a show from last year that had fewer commercials, lots of material, thank you FOX, .
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:02 am

It was intense and packed with emotion and detail-- I need to rewatch too. Olivia looked so sad when she saw that about Peter.......... but when she knows she has to protect him a bit before he finds out........... I can see the two of them having a lost weekend to sort things out.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:25 am

The bad thing about twitter is that you can't have a direct conversation with people, on a night like this------so we end up abandoning folks here to talk with. I don't like that. :(

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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:28 am

Olivia was pretty stressed out for this show. Remembering she is still my favorite character, she was on the ropes. Hair was obviously in a pretty but utilitarian ponytail. Lack of sleep, like in "Bad Dreams".

I've given Peter all kinds of grief for not letting go how difficult his childhood was, apparently now it's time, if I could, tell Olivia, "You have to find a way to work with this, and not keep snapping at Walter because the experience is so fresh to you."

If, somehow, they can let Walter get righteously angry with Olivia, and level the emotional balance between them, we can get back to a homeostatsis. The Team is hurting right now.

And Peter, who's so understanding now, is going to be So Not Understanding. Unless there's some miracle. I want my two protagonists to shut the door on their adolescent rage. If the War is coming, our two soldiers are behind in their readiness. If it's going to start soon.

This is why I enjoyed the producers admitting they had to push up the Interdimensional Window to last year instead of this year. I want Peter to find out, vent (hopefully not dangerously act out) and get more ready for this War.

To add drama, Mr. Cathy declared tonight that he would prefer Peter and Olivia have a nonblood related, sibling relationship instead of a romantic relationship.

Please don't hold that against him. All I can offer in defense is for all the Peter and Fringe fans to rent Josh Jackson's "Lone Star State of Mind" he made a few years back when very young. Maybe that's a guide for possible step sibling relationships? We could go all Wagnerian!

P.S. on the Lez Twitter note, oh I couldn't do it all the time like I do this message board. We approach true chat threads when subjects heat up, but at least I can think in complete sentences.
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:39 am

I completely don't understand the unwillingness to let the writers write Peter and Olivia as romantic-----------without the needless kink of Wagner. To me it's like moaning about them writing Walter as nuts, Astrid as brainy, or there being an alternate universe. That is the story they're writing! And have been since the start. They've proven they're not going to go soppy desperate housewives on us with the story.

Well--I think I understand the guys..perhaps there is a certain jealousy of One Mr. Joshua Jackson's effect on the female viewer?

Because in all the other hero stories, the audience doesn't complain when the Hero-guy romances the Heroine (when she is subservient).


Yeah, the Korbi poll said the same re: Peter finding out: a few episodes of Bad Peter at most, then back to the fold.

I think it's good for Olivia to yell at Walter, it will help her get it out, and also help her help Peter get his brains back after he finds out.......then they can go on to figure out how to fix the world. No stress there!

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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:45 am

I don't necessarily mind hooking up P/O, but I want it total background, like what they finally did with Mulder and Scully. But I also don't think P/O is at that stage yet where it's a natural occurrence. Putting them together now seems both forced and out of nowhere IMO, especially on Olivia's side. And now that Olivia can literally see Peter's otherworldliness, honestly, I *really* can't see them hooking up any time soon. He just looks...weird to her.
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:51 am

Forced?? Um...not to me. There have been other indications on her part, and this is the story the writers are writing. If they want to include P/O romance, it is their story to write.

A couple of healthy adults, not teenagers anymore, in a work situation like that, both of them hetero and hot.... would be weirder really for it to not happen. They've dragged it out forever already, it could speed up a lot and feel more normal. Mulder and Scully drove me nuts, they made us wait so long I gave up on the show. Romance wasn't the problem with the X-files, it was muddled story lines and that creepy super baby they had.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:01 am

I thought I saw two votes, a 10 and a 6. That was actually what I think the fanbase may do, although fewer 6's than 10's. The shippers can laugh or throw their hands in the air, or both.

This ex"Moonlight" fan has tried to describe to the producers on these threads what a group activity Shipping is, fangirls get so creative with banners and avatars, and it's just plain fun.

*Big sigh* Yes the romance maybe feels forced right now. There's a case for that. They need to wait until whenever.

I swear, I'm starting to lean towards the old Richard Wagner operas, where the brother and the sister DO fall for each other. Wants some Real Story Mythology? There's some famous mythology, writers, eeeeeeeee!

I love this show. I hope as a blogger I sound like a fan and a cheerleader.

Wagnerian business though, I'm willing to consider it. Josh Jackson starred in a small budget comedy, "Lone Star State of Mind", there's a possible scenario for them? No, I'm serious. I know the detractors would have a field day. But they're not related, they weren't raised together, they weren't partners although they were in the same study as small children.
I want to see romance between Peter and Olivia, but I don't want to see a first kiss because she's distraught.

I'm glad they're wearing the same jackets, whether they're peacoats or leather (peacoats, peacoats, looks more military). It's a dilemna, 7 weeks isn't going to solve it one way or the other. Those articles saying there would be relationship progress tonight, rrrrrrrrrrrr!
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:12 am

No kink for me, please. That stuff can stay on HBO. And yes, I've read and heard Wagner, enough to float a battleship, and read Greek tragedy. No, thanks.

Why, I wonder, do some folks resist Peter and Olivia having a healthy romantic relationship, and want instead it to be either non-existant, or perverted?





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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:02 am

Some good catches on the
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:13 pm

that was a great episode, even if the pacing was rather odd at times.
the opener in the "other reality" was brilliant writing but i'm guessing it was lost to most of the viewers.

i agree with Cathy, now that Olivia KNOWS about Peter, it would weird to force romance upon them and us for that matter. and i don't want to see Olivia fall for Peter because she's the damsel in distress, it would be totally wrong and an awful twist to her character development.

i must admit that's the first time that i could see something happening between them though.

i loved the little scene at the end when Peter says it's just a drink with a friend. he looked so happy.

man i can't see how i can wait until april now...
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:45 pm

well, my turn grins
Okay, it's... a wonderful episode. Especially because it's a mythological episode. The wait was so long. But finally we have a great episode !
It unlocks a part of Olivia's past, for her. And the meeting between adult-Olivia and little-Oliv was great ! But wtf what are these big noises in the forest ??!!
Her ability to see a part of the other side is very promising...
About P/O... well, I was... how to say ? Quite surprised. This "almost-kiss", the resolution was so close... It was... wow.
I like the end of the episode. Their happiness, and suddenly, the distress of Olivia when she discovered the real Peter. It was very sad.
Nice episode. I am just sad now because we must wait April !!
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:18 pm

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A couple of healthy adults, not teenagers anymore, in a work situation like that, both of them hetero and hot.... would be weirder really for it to not happen.

ITA. That's what I was saying months ago.

But in the world where they're living, nothing will never be normal, and things won't get any better... It will be complexer and complexer ! So it will always look forced for some people.

And about the Wagner "Siegmund-Sieglinde" stuff ( ...Wagner and why not Musil while we're about it ?), it would mean that Walter doesn't know the real story, considering that he's the first shipper ?


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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:26 pm

Nevertheless, it's so natural !!
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:48 pm

Exactly !
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:23 pm

Just a few thoughts

* X-Files again...


Very "dreamland", huh ?

* Blue lights :
Well, Cathy, you were right about the blue lights. I'm quite sure now.
Look :

cap 1 : Olivia in the forest

cap 2 : Blue lights

cap 3 : "There's someone else here."

The blue lights appear when Olivia is in connection with someone who lives on the other side, or stays into a certain *spatiotemporal* spot (like John).

* Buildings and "exit" Peter :
The first building is the "alter-building" : see the shape of the numbers, and the "exit" sign behind the character. (And "Manhatan" ?)
Alter-building :
"Our" building :

Look the "exit" sign behind Peter... again ! Another clue before the revelation.



*RYB
Many RYB shots in this episode, too.
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And this one, could it be relevant ?


Maybe the items in the room are significant too... Did we see any glyphs in this scene ? scratch

Edit : Glyphs !!
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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:14 pm

Love the glyphs! Nice art direction work at BR. And all those exit signs for Peter.

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PostSubject: Re: 2x14 "Jacksonville"   Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:26 pm

I just finished watching..................

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I'll do the complete review soon... with all the clues and easter eggs !!!

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PostSubject: A mammoth cheer for BR, part 1   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:35 pm

Here's my first chunk of review:

I was thrilled to see Olivia confront Walter. She's finally coming into her power, & I don't mean the artificial ones foisted onto the defenseless Olive by the craven researchers WB2; her own, natural adult powers of self determination, self reliance, and reasoning beyond fear. Here's a mammoth cheer for BR: Olivia is NOT an object any more, she is a well rounded, normal human woman. Not a girl, goddess or a saint, a woman. This is so very refreshing in science fiction I can barely begin to explain it to male viewers.

She makes her own decisions now, and while she still has doubts, is strong and sure in a crisis. She sees & experiences things for what they really are, and acts accordingly. She investigates and solves strange things without flinching. She makes mistakes, fails, and sees the truth when it is shown her. She found that John had betrayed her, and dealt with it--after the drug induced visits to his memory, she tells her sister about the engagement ring: "suffice it to say, it never really happened." She can move forward when she sees the difference between what she thought her life was going to be, and what it is (and might be).

With that growth, she also gives herself the freedom to express love, not just childlike but adult, reciprocating Peter's romantic feelings for her, glossed over since the pilot. Olivia's readiness for Peter's love for her is a welcome sign of maturity and strength, both in Olivia Dunham and in science fiction tv as a genre.

Note to the fanboy crowd who idolize Olivia as a chaste savior and are horrified at the thought of Olivia and Peter as lovers: (and if you can't deal with Freud, pass on by):
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