3x05 "Amber 31422" - Episode Discussions

Excellent discussion here http://fringelatino.blogspot.com/2010/11/analisis-del-305-amber-31422.html

And ham-fisted automatic translation by teh google of several points, cleaned up a bit by me, but please if we have native speakers nearby, help with the translation:

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On our side, there are only soft spots, points where the fundamental constants of nature have begun to decline. (Nina explains in 1.20.) These weaknesses are the result of scientific and technological advances & occur when we have interfered with the laws of nature. The Bermuda Triangle is a soft spot.

On the other side, the decline of these points is stronger, but if what Nina says is true, technological and scientific progress in certain areas are higher there than in our world, then it would be logical that Over There the fibers of the Universe are weaker.
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On the other side, all the people believe that these facts are a product of nature, now, if you recall at 222, Walternate tells Peter that the first time that our two worlds interacted was when Walter crossed and took Peter from there but I have doubts if this is true or not since the first reported case in the Bermuda Triangle is from the year 1880, many years before Walter's interaction.
Perhaps the interaction of Walter was the first man made one and that is what accellerated the process Over There, but something tells me that what is happening there is not fundamentally Walter's fault and Walternate is using it for a personal vendetta for the kidnapping of his son.


The Case of the week is the closest thing we have to what is happening and can happen between Bolivia and Olivia. When Bolivia realizes everything she is stealing from Olivia to stay on our side, will she be able to make some sacrifices?

Four years ago Joshua Rose started using a method to break through the walls and rob banks. This is about 2 years before Mitchell Loeb used this same method to rob banks and extract the parts of the machine to teleport Jones from prison in Germany to Little Hill and then try to cross to the other side and kill Bell.
Does this mean that Jones worked for Walternate? Was this how he knew how to use this technique?

We know that Over There, Walternate wrote the ZFT and on our side, Bell. On many occasions during the first season shows Walter missed things that Bell supposedly wrote, and the chapter of Ethics was lost, which Walter found but never read in 1.19. Perhaps Jones and his followers actually worked and governed by Walternate's ZFT because it is more likely that it is a "call to arms" as Peter describes it.

Loeb mentioned that he is only part of the Army and was furious that Olivia did not know what the two sides were; we can clearly infer that this was talk of us and of Over There. Now, this means that aside from having infiltrated shape shifters on this side, Walternate has people who support him on this side as well??. At any rate, I think we need to revive certain characters and question them again right?

elliot you did a good job with the translation so don't worry!! I tell you this because I'm a native speaker

thanks, but I only polished and straightened... and laughed a bit; google made bermuda triangle into bermuda grass, a kind of lawn.

Don't you think he makes some really good points? I'm so glad he mentions the Bermuda Triangle, and that Walter is NOT the cause of all the evil over there!!!! That will go a long way towards Peter getting things straightened out with him.

And it's nice to see ZFT and Loeb mentioned.

ok I have one question about the article. the bermuda triangle has been mentioned on fringe before??I can't remember or is just a theory??

anyway I agree with you maybe walter is not guilty of everything....and its something more.
remember peters words "a lot of blame for just one men" or something similar.....

The Bermuda Triangle is an area in the Sargasso Sea, off the coast of South America, in the horse latitudes, where ships get becalmed and there is a lot of seaweed to entangle rudders.......... I believe, if I remember right, off to google..... anyway, I'm not sure how it got the reputation it has.

And yes, wasn't that good to hear Peter sticking up for Walter even then!?

off to check on myself!

OK, north of there a bit; off Cuba; and here is a bit about how the legend got started probably:

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The modern legend of the Bermuda Triangle began soon after five Navy planes [Flight 19] vanished on a training mission during a severe storm in 1945. The most logical theory as to why they vanished is that lead pilot Lt. Charles Taylor’s compass failed. The trainees' planes were not equipped with working navigational instruments. The group was disoriented and simply, though tragically, ran out of fuel. No mysterious forces were likely to have been involved other than the mysterious force of gravity on planes with no fuel. It is true that one of the rescue planes blew up shortly after take-off, but this was likely due to a faulty gas tank rather than to any mysterious forces.

I'm not sure what I think of these after the show videos they are doing so many of now; here is another Noble Intentions about this episode. (I haven't seen it yet, just ran across it)

http://www.fox.com/fringe/videos/661972404001/noble-intentions-amber-31422?sortby=date&bctag=noble+intentions

... and I still haven't seen it, as FOX's vid setup is pointlessly bad. When it's up on YT, somebody post it here, ok?

I see that Thursday's ratings were a series low for Fringe; while some blame baseball (and I know it has an effect)---I know if I hadn't seen spoilers and known the episode would NOT HAVE Peter and fakelivia together-------------I wouldn't have watched it, either. Just like I will mute and cover the screen the early part of next Thursday. I'm not even recording any more, until that is remedied.

Are you getting a clue yet, BR?

(Oh, and I hear 'Undercovers' was cancelled.)

Nice review of this ep from Josie Kafka at FringeTelevision

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I’m even okay with the tank. Gasp! I hated that tank in previousepisodes, but the lack of John Scott made it okay. Without John Scott,and without Walter, Olivia’s experience in the tank is so impersonal:Walternate and Brandon were watching a screen, which gave them somedistance, and all Olivia got for her troubles was a towel. I’veincluded a screenshot from an early tank-scene: see how personal it is?

(the pic shown is of Walter holding Olivia, and Peter reaching to comfort her)

It’spractically a pietà, with the triangular structure formed by Walter andOlivia, as Peter and Astrid look at the almost-father/daughter pairing.Olivate may be friendly with Francis and Lee, but they aren’t as tiedto her as Walter and Peter were, even in those early episodes. And theregulations of Over There Fringe Division keep them from helping herwhen she needs it most, even if she doesn’t yet know it.

Notonly did Olivia brave the scary and impersonal tank, but she’s startingto get a stronger sense of her own position, courtesy of her innerPeter. It makes sense that she would wind up in the gift shop onLiberty Island, as it’s probably in the same spot as the DoD lab OverThere, but the Symbolic Object of the Week is definitely the snowglobethat she broke, twice. The snowglobes don’t just parallel the amber,but also the divisions between both worlds that are more fragile thanwe might think.

racoca wrote:

ok I have one question about the article. the bermuda triangle has been mentioned on fringe before??I can't remember or is just a theory??

anyway I agree with you maybe walter is not guilty of everything....and its something more.
remember peters words "a lot of blame for just one men" or something similar.....

On Fringe, not yet, but on Lost.....

And not only boats disappeared, but also planes.
Maybe it is a very very very "soft spot", and if they decided to include the Triangle in Fringe, all the boats and planes would have landed on the Other side, just like the truck in the first season !

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but the Symbolic Object of the Week is definitely the snowglobethat she broke, twice. The snowglobes don’t just parallel the amber,but also the divisions between both worlds that are more fragile thanwe might think.

Eheh.

I have a book of Mom's here on the desk called 'Into the Alternate Universe' which concerns an interstellar pilot finding some of those ships from the Bermuda Triangle in space.... turns out there is an alt-u that is showing through somehow, and that's where all those ended up.

Oh, I got it, the Triangle is in fact in Arctica, that's why polar bears are disappearing....

It would be better if they lived, wherever they go...

...even if they're going to mutate.

...within reason. I'd prefer they get to still be who they are!

Yeah, I like them in white.
I wouldn't like them to turn into "wood" bears, I want them to stay ice bears. Gh.

Have you noticed they have added to the graffiti or whatever it is on the walls of the typewriter room?

No, can you make any of the graffiti out?

Love your signature, Stephy! That was about the time when I entered mid-show, "We have Contact!". I meant contact with the Real Olivia, not someone she thought she was.

Four hours go by on those psychotropic drugs before she crosses over the first time, too.
I really enjoyed her reaction when they mainline her at the beginning, it's a wonder she didn't let go of the diver mouthpiece. I also thought at the time they should have explained about putting some kind of putty or something up her nose so she wouldn't inhale through there, but that's being a little Too realistic, isn't it. An external noseplug like the old fashion swimming kind might have worked, but probably would have drawn more snarks for appearance than accuracy......

The mouthpiece also prevents her from speaking, but I guess that's also a good thing, now that she's having to conceal what she's really experiencing. With the old tank I liked hearing the different kinds of reactions she'd have to different visions. The new tank is prettier. And Brandon's 'screencover' is interesting from a patient respect viewpoint

Noble Intentions