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lezario Wearing MIT shirt
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| Subject: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Fri May 06, 2011 6:16 pm | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 5:26 am | |
| Uffda maida. Beautifully filmed, sweet and aching. And of all the parts I guessed, and the endings I guessed, that final line... Things I loved: Ella following her auntie into FD; Peter and Olivia happily married; Peter telling Walter HE was Peter's Dad; them finally letting Walternate be evil incarnate (Noble has the acting chops for it, glad they let him go there); Ella remembering Gene...Peter's tenderness with Walter and Olivia. Things not so much: erasing Peter's existence. So, is that the end of the Benchwarmers? What role do you think Joshua Jackson will have next year, if Noble is right and he does return "in some form"? If Peter never existed, then either there is nothing wrong with the unis because the tear was never made, or that wasn't the cause of it and all the fuss (war) was over misplaced blame. And if he never existed, and both unis are fine, what will they all do with their time? Do you think they will go back (in some magical way yet to be determined) and get him back, maybe the time agents will fish him out of Oblivion? Or will he be some new different character, and no longer Walter's son? He and Olivia could still fall in love, but Walter and Peter not being father and son...... that would be a huge hole in the show. So they must find some way to get around that..... what do you think? ETA a tiny ray of hope... Quote: - Quote :
- Fringie6989 Cerissa
@JWFRINGE Can you at least confirm that Peter is "somewhere"? 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
in reply to @Fringie6989 ? JOEL WYMAN @JWFRINGE JOEL WYMAN @
@Fringie6989 #FringeLiveTweet Yes!!! He is somewhere. ; )
Quote: JWFRINGE JOEL WYMAN by FRINGEonFOX @ @DlsimplyMel #FringeLiveTweet Well... "Where is Peter Bishop?" IS the question." Season 4 WILL have answers. Because if Peter Bishop didn't exist, it will be necessary to invent him. | |
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lezario Wearing MIT shirt
Join date : 2009-09-01 Posts : 11788 Location : Looking for Peter's MIT shirt
| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 7:19 am | |
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bookworm2342 Kidnapping a girl
Join date : 2009-09-15 Posts : 2292 Location : PA, US
| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 3:19 pm | |
| Lez, that was about my reaction. | |
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jade86 Seeing the Shadow Man
Join date : 2010-01-20 Posts : 1466 Location : Italy
| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 3:38 pm | |
| Maybe the Observers said that Peter never existed because they wanted that walter, olivia ecc... had to forget Peter for some reason. At least, walter always thought that one day the observers would have brought peter away from him. My reaction about the end of the episode was WTF????? WHERE THE HELL IS PETER??? I know where Peter is now! IN THE YELLOW UNIVERSE!! The same universe where peter created the bridge between the two worlds; where the observers come from; where the machine and the ancient paper with peter's face come from! The writers said that in season 4 we'll find out where peter is! I'm excited to know how different will be peter this time! Can we build a time machine to jump in september? | |
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lezario Wearing MIT shirt
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 4:51 pm | |
| And the way Peter just.... disappeared....... SO WEIRD. | |
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jade86 Seeing the Shadow Man
Join date : 2010-01-20 Posts : 1466 Location : Italy
| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 5:01 pm | |
| The weird thing is that the way peter disappeared is similar to Walternate's before he shoots Olivia. And look at the final scene. When peter goes to walter and walternate the machine disappeared! And then Peter too! O_O | |
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lezario Wearing MIT shirt
Join date : 2009-09-01 Posts : 11788 Location : Looking for Peter's MIT shirt
| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 5:16 pm | |
| Hm, it didn't look the same to me..... Walternate was some kind of advanced video projection, while Peter simply.... fade away. | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 10:03 pm | |
| I've already seen a reviewer suggesting that seth gable could replace Josh's Peter on the show and in Olivia's heart. I wanted to choke her. And if Josh is still under contract, I doubt that...... esp. from Noble saying that Walter & Peter's relationship would be more at an adult level... I hope he meant more than just this episode. Cause w/o Peter, our Peter, there is no Fringe for me. Awesome as Noble and Torv are, and my blessed Nina, I simply don't care about them enough to watch the show without Peter, it would be too sad. Since the Observers still remember Peter (and didn't September seem concerned that the others didn't?)-------- I think they not only know where he went, but how to get him back. I hope the resolution doesn't take half the season, either. Will Walter still have been in prison? Without the warming effect of trying to be loveable to Peter, will he not be as kind a man as the Walter we know? Will Olivia have been treated with cortexiphan? Will she have powers? I have faith that they will bring Peter back somehow (I so want Walter and Olivia to overturn time itself to get him back).... but that was the saddest thing I have seen in a long time, I cried like a baby when I realized it was all gone, all over and possibly never coming back. ETA - Quote :
- First off, I know that a lot of fans have been freaking out over last night’s episode of “Fringe” titled, “The Day We Died”. The number of tweets and emails I’ve been getting have been a little overwhelming, and I want to calm your fears and say that Josh is still under contract for Season 4 and he has not been written off the show.
The producers/writers tweeted last night during the finale airing with thinly veiled (but really vague), yet confidently saying that they haven’t done away with Josh’s character of Peter Bishop. Mandy @ Josh Jackson Network. ------ Ratings dropped for the finale: - Quote :
- The final episode of the season of Fox’s Fringe concluded on the same humble ratings note that’s marked recent weeks. Fringe was seen by 3.3 million viewers and drew a 1.2 preliminary adults 18-49 rating, down a tenth from last Friday
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- Fox aired the 'Fringe' Season 3 finale 'The Day We Died' last night and Twitter lit up with fans discussing what transpired, the questions that were answered and the many more that were raised.
In an odd twist, 'Fringe' ratings dropped for what should have been its most-watched episode of the season, pulling in a 1.2 rating in the 18-49 demographic. In the previous episode, 'Fringe' scored a 1.3. Either one is nowhere near where the show's producers or Fox want to see it.
Fox only has one place to look at for the live viewing ratings drop that has occurred over the second half of this season: in the mirror. The move to Friday night from Thursday worked for a couple weeks and then sharply declined after that. As Fox must surely know, most people watching 'Fringe' are doing so off their DVRs or streaming it from sources like Hulu, myself and several people I know included.
Fox has found success in the past with science fiction and Friday evenings. 'The X-Files' was a staple for the network in that slot for nearly a decade until it ran out of creative gas and lost one of its stars.
More recent attempts like 'Firefly,' 'Dollhouse' and 'Fringe' on Friday have struggled as viewers are no longer tethered to the television or a time slot to watch shows. There are many other on-demand options available and more appearing all the time. Realistically, is 'Fringe' the type of show that people who own a Nielson box are likely to watch?
To Fox's credit, they ordered up a full season order of 'Fringe' for the fall despite the declining ratings telling them they shouldn't. The television landscape, at least in our universe, is better for it. Ken Tucker's review is here :http://watching-tv.ew.com/2011/05/07/fringe-season-3-episode-22-review/ --and Jeff Jensen will have an interview with Josh and John there tomorrow. | |
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bookworm2342 Kidnapping a girl
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 10:17 pm | |
| I've been thinking more and more that the ratings are not entirely accurate. The Day We Died was trending on Twitter in the US last night during the episode and for at least an hour after the episode aired on the East coast. If not as many people were watching, that probably wouldn't have happened. | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
Join date : 2009-09-01 Posts : 13616 Location : North by Northwest
| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 10:28 pm | |
| Do you know anyone who is a Nielsen family? I don't, and haven't for years. Yet when I was a little girl, and then later in high school, my family was picked twice. So, I wonder how they pick Nielsen families? That said, Fringe has gotten an increasingly narrow focus, so it's not too surprising to see the numbers drift. The non-hardcore viewers I knew who watched Fringe the first year mostly don't now.
Plus, a lot of that trending was a campaign organized and directed, not spontaneous. And while I appreciate the effort to save the show, it's about as artificial as the Nielsen thing.
I have hopes that Orci's return will juice things up a bit, ratings wise; I think this is a huge opportunity for Fringe to recapture audience #'s as long as they don't tarry too long with Peter all disappeared and not existing.
I think they need to have Sam Weiss back on, to explain his family's role in all this! And I hope, hope hope that next season they don't do the Olivia/Fauxlivia rivalry again. Funny once. I had thought how smart BR was to have Peter and Olivia married, and I hope they renew that next year.
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bookworm2342 Kidnapping a girl
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 10:30 pm | |
| I don't know anyone who has a box. Sometimes I wonder if they even exist. | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 10:42 pm | |
| An Urban Myth! Some notes from the producers (from the livetweet) (how a person could have tweeted instead of WATCHING it, I have no idea whatsoever): Joshua Jackson will be playing again in the fourth season. Peter is somewhere. Olivia forget about Peter? Not at all: the connection between her and the boy, as well as between Peter and Walter is the center of the story We'll find out more about Mr. X The future will settle the past, but there is a greater plan that we will discover Adult Ella will no longer appear The fact that the child in the drawing on Peter and Liv's fridge is only holding his hand, is no accident. Expect episode 4.1 in the period between mid-September and mid October | |
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jade86 Seeing the Shadow Man
Join date : 2010-01-20 Posts : 1466 Location : Italy
| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 10:47 pm | |
| The child on the paper has a yellow shirt, and holds Peter's hand. Mmmm...What if there's a second meaning in the drowing? For example the child represents the yellow universe and holds only peter's hand because he's the father of the yellow universe. | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 10:55 pm | |
| Or maybe it's their child who needs to be born finding him in a dream and leading him back to Olivia? The producers were fairly firm about no third universe, it sounded like. And, hi, how did you do with the revelations? I burst into tears, and wondered how all the rest of us here were doing/had done/would feel. | |
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jade86 Seeing the Shadow Man
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 10:58 pm | |
| The producers said "no third universe this season". So probably in season 4 there will be the yellow universe, especially if it's where the observers come from | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 11:05 pm | |
| I think the Observers don't come from any specific universe, but from something else; and though I'm tired of the red one I am conflicted about whether I want to have it exchanged for a yellow one! ETA More from the twitterverse: (in which I begin to forgive my man Joel for erasing Peter (as long as that's brief)) - Quote :
- joaquiminverno Joaquim Inverno
@jwfringe #FringeLiveTweet Which Olivia do you prefer? in reply to @joaquiminverno ↑ @JWFRINGE JOEL WYMAN #FringeLiveTweet OUR Olivia. | |
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bookworm2342 Kidnapping a girl
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 11:31 pm | |
| He still has a lot to do to earn my forgiveness. | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sat May 07, 2011 11:40 pm | |
| Oh, they need more forgiveness than I feel like giving.. we'll see what the summer holds, esplainin' wise & spoiler wise. One very good thing is that currently, there is also no fauxbaby nor is faux the manstealer, so I won't be revolted at the idea of her working with Olivia to repair the unis; it would just have never washed with me. Since they say Olivia will NOT forget Peter, that their relationship and Peter's with Walter are the heart of the show, I have hopes that we will see more of what your banner shows....... complete erasure of that (of our Olivia and our Peter together) would free up my tv viewing for a different show. ETA Nice quote from elsewhere: - Quote :
- Fringe is using time-jumping and associated paradoxes (always a dicey
proposition, let's see if they can make this go down) in the service of a greater story, which is the saga of Walter and Peter, the tears between universes, and the fates of the characters in those universes. This is a story we already know - it's not solely a mystery story. Fringe is part mystery, part forward narrative. The biggest impact really here is Peter's apparent sacrifice for inter-universe harmony. In my view, we don't know for sure that he really has been sacrificed. The end point of Fringe is not "will we solve the mystery and know the truth," but rather, "Will our family be reunited?"
To that end, good ending to the season as once again, our family is torn apart (and doesn't realize it! again!) Just as Walter and Peter were oblivious to Olivia being taken from them (and replaced with an impostor), Walter and Olivia now apparently will not realize that they are missing Peter. I trust that eventually, they will somehow sense an absence in their lives. | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sun May 08, 2011 5:27 pm | |
| A couple of hopeful ideas I found yesterday: - Quote :
- Whatever happens next season, I think we can expect that it's not so cut-and-dried as Peter having just winked out of existence totally, and that a loophole will be found to restore all the relationships the writers worked hard to build. I think fans will be glad of "emotional quantum entanglement" if it means we get Peter back. :-)
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- If HeadPeter turns out to be the "vanished" Peter who's living in some kind of inter/intra-dimensional existence, I will count that as one of the most brilliant things the show has done. Beyond caring for Olivia and her well being, was he attempting to get her out of the Red Universe and back home so that he could ultimately heal the literal and emotional rifts between the universes?
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I would love this and agree, that would be freaking brilliant. It makes sense to me; the things HeadPeter told Olivia weren't things she would necessarily have thought for herself. Also HeadPeter kissed her in a familar way, as if they were a couple, when at that point they'd just shared that tentative first kiss Over There. But HeadPeter remembering a proper relationship with her makes that make more sense. It would also link into the montage of memories.
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jade86 Seeing the Shadow Man
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sun May 08, 2011 5:31 pm | |
| I like the second quote and agree about head peter! Peter Bishop is Mr Mistery in person! | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Sun May 08, 2011 5:56 pm | |
| I'm also wondering since Wyman said Olivia WILL NOT FORGET PETER, if he does go into her consciousness somehow? (I think it's fairly obvious that they will have at least one scene where Torv plays Peter Bishop, if they do that, and since she plays all the roles that'd be hard to give up; plus fun later when he's restored to his own body, for him to make some comment or look, remembering inhabiting her (though not as obvious or crass as Bell was).
I am glad there's not a faux baby to deal with, that storyline got out of hand with baby adoration, lost focus from the story.
Questions for the future:
1) who's the upcoming villain? Still Walternate? Or will the gradual working together fade his story (as eventually I think it must...)
2) did nobody but me notice that Walternate hated Peter so much he wanted to kill him, and only didn't because he was not physically in the same room with him?
3) also, sloppy writing I thought to have Walternate a shadowy figure but not hunted down by our Fringe Team. But then I don't believe the "mission of mercy" story from him. I pretty much think Walternate lied about everything.
4) if Walter & Astrid & maybe Ella are the first people, and their purpose was the machine distribution/universe saving, what's the reason for the two groups in the bridge room? Didn't the universe saving by the machine work?
5) if future walter and Peter discussed how to fix things (and I'm sure they would have), surely they discussed where he would go in the meantime?
6) putting aside the mishmashed bad science of how they handled the time paradoxes, and instead drawing on the parallel story of the guy in White Tulip, is the Fringe moral to be taken from their use of time travel that it is ok only if you want the leaper to die/quit existing, but not if you want the people they are leaping for, to live? Because that contradicts Peter's leaps. | |
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jade86 Seeing the Shadow Man
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Mon May 09, 2011 9:45 am | |
| Is it only my impression or the observers were around a different statue of liberty without the place where the machine was moved?? It seems they are looking at a small room with a yellow light! What if that was the third world and the observers were looking at that room because peter is there?? O__O | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Mon May 09, 2011 10:03 pm | |
| It was the bridge room, I thought, where the two teams are. Peter is somewhere else hidden.......... if this is Angel, then he's spending the summer in a box at the bottom of the Hudson River. If this is Buffy, then he's dead, and in Heaven, and will resent everyone for bringing him back, and have an affair when he does get back......... no wait, they already did that. If this is Buffy, he's in a hell dimension, and Olivia is working in a coffee shop in LA, or vice versa. (Maybe those two things are the same? Surely Olviia will feel his loss and feel crabby and like she is in hell, without him?)
Because the time loop stuff they used is so badly wrong, I'm just going to ignore it and go with whatever they come up with, as long as our Peter comes back and is still in love with (and marries!!) our Olivia, and adores his father (our Walter). Everything else is fluff.
Maybe he's in Olivia's consciousness (as Astral Peter, who turns out to be Future Peter)--------maybe when we get him back he will know the future, and be able to steer them right (and a 15 year jump on things would be so much more knowledge than the couple of seconds they gave Daniel Jackson in Stargate when he was rescuing Tealc from that game.)
Huh! Olivia won't be able to use her powers (if she still has them) without Peter.
Do you think his Mother over here still commits suicide? Do you think Walter over here still goes to prison as a madman?
I really really don't want to have to start over, it feels like a giant slap in the face for caring so much about them for three years. I'm thinking that now we never will find out anything about Peter's past, at all? That would be a pity. | |
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Elliot Seeing the man from the other side
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| Subject: Re: 3x22 "The Day We Died" - Episode Discussion Tue May 10, 2011 3:38 pm | |
| From chat with Kristin, eonline: - Quote :
- Tasha in Simi Valley, Calif.: What is with the season finale of Fringe? If Joshua Jackson isn't on the show next season I won't watch!
Fear not: Sources close to the show confirm that Joshua Jackson will definitely be back next season, although no one's saying if it'll be Blue Peter, Red Peter or the brand-spankin'-new Black Peter! | |
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