2x21 "Over there - Part 1"

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About the parchment i'm pretty sure it's Phenicien, or at least the writing around Peter's head.

There are phenicien symbols, but not all of them are phenicien. I spotted Hebrew, too.
Letter such as rashi Thet, a phenician yōdh, hebrew Pe and Tsadi, but I'm pretty sure this is not entirely written in phenician.

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4 kinds of ancient alphabets

Hebrew is a brother language of Phenician. As is Arabic, Syrian, Samartian....
As are rashi, aramaic, and what some people call "paleo hebrew".
That's why i'm saying it's not entirely phenician. These languages derived from/are parallel to it, but are different, with (sometimes) different meanings.

What is sure is that symbols are repeated - the first column is repeated four times.

About Observer's "notebooks" writing, in particular the code used by August, I think it was made of circles and dots ? It's late, i'll look for screencaps tomorrow. But one of the hardest thing to remember, is the Niqqud system.
It's a way to distinguish vowels (long and short) and consonnants, by adding dots under the letters. Commonly used in religious books.

Not the same as the Observers', but interesting if we link it to the prophecy mysterious writing.

Lots of the alchemical symbols are phoenician, and etruscan, and other early symbols, this looks like some of the other things, a mix of various languages and systems.

lezario wrote:

What is sure is that symbols are repeated - the first column is repeated four times.

Yes, i noticed that too. Maybe they're the DNA codes showed on the other version of the prophecy that the Observer gave Olivia.

Elliot wrote:

Lots of the alchemical symbols are phoenician, and etruscan, and other early symbols, this looks like some of the other things, a mix of various languages and systems.

I think phoenician and aramaic.

And Hebrew and syriac.

And the more i look at it, the more I see similarities with eastern or jacobite cursive syriac.

Do you remember when i told you that the superior part of the machine looks like a pediment of an ancient temple? I found it interesting, because Peter could be seen as an ancient divinity in his temple.....and the Observers are the priests.

...or if you look closely at what looks like saw blades, and where the power source goes and how it fits together, it looks like the machine is intended to crush and destroy him. Not very temple-y to me, unless the Observers are Aztecan.

Elliot wrote:

unless the Observers are Aztecan.

Mmmmm...Interesting!

Aztecs were also one of the first people!

Their writing was as complex as the Observers'.
But i'm no fan of Observers being priest. It would a little bit too Orii-ish.

I'm no fan of any religion invading Fringe, as is likely obvious by now. And BadWalter is acting much more like a madman (think: Jim Jones or the Aum Shinrikyo) than a religious person.

Besides, the Observers like Walter & Peter, and August loved that girl...they aren't blood thirsty.

And while an Observer gave that document to Olivia, I am not convinced it is their handiwork; the writing is obscure, but it does not match September's or August's handwriting.

*...thinks: My handwriting is obscure, and I'm no Observer!*

lezario wrote:

But i'm no fan of Observers being priest. It would a little bit too Orii-ish.

Hihihihi don't worry. I only wanted to exploit my imagination

We forget Rogue(s)...

Ah-hah! Maybe defeating the Rogues is something for Fringe Div (both left and right, or up and down, or here and there) to work on together in future seasons? After BadWalter is vanquished?

I noticed that September's and August's handwriting is different. September's writing is more similar to the symbols on the parchment, around Peter's head. According to you, why are they different?

September August

So do you think the beacons have something to do with Peter ?

September couldn't touch it..... But Rogue could. Maybe Rogues built them so Observers couldn't touch them, to prevent them from hidding them...

Or maybe September was just saying he couldn't interfer, and thus couldn't touch it.

lezario wrote:

Or maybe September was just saying he couldn't interfer, and thus couldn't touch it.

I like the idea!

About that last sentence I said, it seems strangely familiar... I'm sure I've said that in one of our previous Observers/Rogues conversations.

Tsk. I just keep repeating myself.

jade86 wrote:

I noticed that September's and August's handwriting is different. September's writing is more similar to the symbols on the parchment, around Peter's head. According to you, why are they different?

September August

September's writing is different in two ways from what is on the parchment. It is more rectilinear, (squarish), and based more on symbols both from meterology and alchemy.

The stuff on the parchment looks to be in different languages, or at least in different hands, and it has more curves and swashes than September's script. His stuff looks like stuff written by an architect or a geologist (think: the things you see on blueprints or geological charts); that on the parchment looks more like Sanskrit, or Tagalog, even.

-------as an aside in this symbolism stuff, have you looked at the lab notes? There are some alchemical/tarot cards in some of them. If I remember correctly, one of them is 'death'. Though that means change, not necessarily death.

lezario wrote:

So do you think the beacons have something to do with Peter ?

I hadn't thought that, exactly...but it could be. It seemed like it was from the other side (Walter sort of was saying that in The Arrival, rather did so in the deleted scene); I had thought it was surveillance from the other side, or communication--but hadn't thought it was about Peter directly. (Though Walter wouldn't have tried to keep it safe if it was hunting Peter, he'd have destroyed it.)
---September had bargained with him, to keep Peter in exchange for Walter protecting the cylinder later. September is still I think protecting both Walter and Peter, and it seems to me not just because they are "important" but because he has come to care about them.

And if John Mosely was an Observer-rogue, and wanted to take the cylinder, he didn't want whatever September was protecting to happen, but to do something different with it. Maybe it is powerful--a weapon? And he too could have killed Peter, he killed loads of other people that day, but he spared Peter. He wasn't worshipful or in awe of him, more a little bit kind for a psychopath.

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September couldn't touch it..... But Rogue could. Maybe Rogues built them so Observers couldn't touch them, to prevent them from hidding them...

Or maybe September was just saying he couldn't interfer, and thus couldn't touch it.

I thought it was this, that September wasn't to interfere directly, but could direct humans to do so. (Maybe Observers leave temporal fingerprints that other Observers can see, and he would have been in trouble.)

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-------as an aside in this symbolism stuff, have you looked at the lab notes? There are some alchemical/tarot cards in some of them. If I remember correctly, one of them is 'death'. Though that means change, not necessarily death.

Yes, it doesn't mean death, it means big changes, either for you or someone you know.

About the writings.... maybe they write differently depending on the "case" or "event" they're observing.
Or they're using several languages, like using several codes so that it will take more time for your ennemies to decipher everything ?

Or maybe it isn't written by Observers at all, but by someone else. I like that idea better because it opens up opportunities for other directions, it doesn't force the Observers into being all-purpose answers to what is strange, the way for a while every monstrous case FD investigated was directly a result of Walter's work.

Multiple universes, multiple dimensions.

Hi! I made a this, in honour of Peter, Observers and Prophecy
I hope you like it!

Nice ! Why don't you open an art thread ?